Slow Spell questions, From the War! thread... |
Slow Spell questions, From the War! thread... |
Jun 2 2011, 12:39 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,272 Joined: 22-June 10 From: Omaha. NE Member No.: 18,746 |
1) What's the area of the spell? How big is the darn thing?
2) What types of ammo does it work against? Sure, Stick and shock is now only moving at 1 meter per second but so is the poor guy standing in the field so, depending on the size of the field I'm not sure he's going to be able to do anything about it and it's not like S-n-S NEEDS any velocity. Which begs the question, does EX-EX still explode on contact at 1 meter per second? |
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Jun 2 2011, 12:42 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
1) What's the area of the spell? How big is the darn thing? The same as any other non-detection spell with an area: [Force] meters +/- 1m per die they withhold from the casting test. QUOTE 2) What types of ammo does it work against? Sure, Stick and shock is now only moving at 1 meter per second but so is the poor guy standing in the field so, depending on the size of the field I'm not sure he's going to be able to do anything about it and it's not like S-n-S NEEDS any velocity. Which begs the question, does EX-EX still explode on contact at 1 meter per second? That's up to the group. But it should be pretty easy to move out of the way of a slow-moving bullet. You're moving slow, but the area means you've got several seconds. All you have to do is not be in front of it when that time is up. |
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Jun 2 2011, 02:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 8,495 |
First of all, this spell was removed in the errata of war, which is included in the German Translation. I would guess you will never see this errata, like the Augmentation errata, but Jason Hardy still agreed to this change.
What both of you forget is, that the bullets also fall with 1m/s, so if the bullets were flying 1,5m above the ground as the enter the slow zone, they hit the ground after 1,5m. Any Spell greater than Force 2 will make it impossible for a bullet to hit you. cya Tycho |
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Jun 2 2011, 02:36 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Guess you'll find out when Jack O'Neill throws the combat knife into the magician's hand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Jun 2 2011, 02:53 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
First of all, this spell was removed in the errata of war, which is included in the German Translation. I would guess you will never see this errata, like the Augmentation errata, but Jason Hardy still agreed to this change. Sooo... In order to play with the latest editions and revisions of a game owned by an american company I must learn German?!?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) I'm all for learning other languages and cultures, but this is ludicrous. |
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Jun 2 2011, 04:29 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
I said it once, I'll say it again: "Why are the Germans getting the best stuff?"
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Jun 2 2011, 05:06 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,272 Joined: 22-June 10 From: Omaha. NE Member No.: 18,746 |
What both of you forget is, that the bullets also fall with 1m/s, so if the bullets were flying 1,5m above the ground as the enter the slow zone, they hit the ground after 1,5m. Any Spell greater than Force 2 will make it impossible for a bullet to hit you. If I knew how to give you Karma, I would. |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:58 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 |
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Jun 2 2011, 10:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 572 Joined: 6-February 09 From: London Uk Member No.: 16,848 |
please tell me that was a joke about the book being changed in germany with no announcment for the english speakers?
Id rather that comment be trolling to wind me up then fact as it shows a very poor sense of fair play if its true |
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Jun 2 2011, 10:56 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,086 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
I said it once, I'll say it again: "Why are the Germans getting the best stuff?" Because CGL's current crew does not release errata. EVER. Even if it's handed to them on a silver plate. You know, back during this whole clusterfuck AH once remarked that we would probably never see errata with Jason at the helm. At that time I believed it to be another parthian shot, but guess what - he was right. I have no idea why, but they just don't do it. Not just in print, were changing stuff without messing up paragraphs is a slow and tedious process, but they won't even confirm stuff reported in their very own errata forum. So yeah, Fronteinsatz replaced Slow with a mass levitation spell...at least as far as I've been told |
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Jun 2 2011, 03:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 8,495 |
please tell me that was a joke about the book being changed in germany with no announcment for the english speakers? Id rather that comment be trolling to wind me up then fact as it shows a very poor sense of fair play if its true Nope, the German Translation of War! (Fronteinsatz) was corrected in agreement with Jason and the slow spell was cut. There are some other changes, like you can launch a cruise missile from an airplane (take 2 reinforces external mounts to mount a cruise missile) Recharge only works on handheld devices. The Ballast Tanks was removed from most of the ships so that they cannot dive anymore and kill the whole crew in the process. ... FYI there are several changes in the German Augmentation, too. Like that you can combine Rigger Nannites and Simsinbooster or that a Nanno Biomonitor improves all medical Nannite-System by 1. Just remember, that all those changes were approved by the CGL Line Developer and so are official errata, they just never were released by CGL. cya Tycho |
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Jun 2 2011, 03:59 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,086 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
The Ballast Tanks was removed from most of the ships so that they cannot dive anymore and kill the whole crew in the process. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) |
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Jun 2 2011, 07:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
The fact is many things have found there way into the German version of the game that have never shown up in the English. The fact that errata has been done for the German version and not for the English is just another step in a long line. I have often thought about buying the German versions and getting togather with someone who reads German and doing a side by side comparison. Then posting what both versions are missing from each other.
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Jun 2 2011, 07:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 572 Joined: 6-February 09 From: London Uk Member No.: 16,848 |
well Im still shocked
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Jun 2 2011, 07:44 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
Well, I guess it might be worth an inoffizial errata.
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Jun 2 2011, 08:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-August 09 From: Vancouver, Canada Member No.: 17,538 |
Yeah, would it possible for one of the German members to post a copy of these errata? Even in German, we could use Google translate or something to get a rough English translation and work from there. Or just post a link to where we could download them. Assuming this is allowed of course.
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Jun 2 2011, 08:33 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
well Im still shocked Why? This is simply par for course as predicted by AH and many others. It's because of this sort of bullshit that I have REFUSED TO BUY any further CGL products. As long as CGL has the license to SR & BT, I will NOT support them in any way. I stated this back when the last brouhaha occurred. I even go one step further and let people know (if they weren't already aware) what sort of mischief CGL was reported as being up to. I would love to hear from the horse's mouth (that would be Jason Hardy) as to why it's perfectly fine to sell an incomplete / inaccurate product to one set of customers but you sell the same product with all the corrections to another set and leave your first set of customers high and dry. The old saw about errata is hard doesn't work either as apparently it made it into an updated product that got published for another set of your customers. Don't expect me to hold my breath though. It saddens and infuriates me that such a lackadaisical attitude exists around the Shadowrun line from the publisher. |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:05 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Yeah, would it possible for one of the German members to post a copy of these errata? Even in German, we could use Google translate or something to get a rough English translation and work from there. Or just post a link to where we could download them. Assuming this is allowed of course. Problem with this is, that, as far as i know, there is no actual errata released . . Our first printings in german simply got the errata worked into the books. So we got changed books with more, new and different stuff and not books and then a change doc but only one book which has been changed . . So technically, yes, one would have to read american and german version side by side to see the differences . . Slow was errataed into mass levitate, charge was made for only hand held devices, killing auschwitz ghosts to get mighty necromantic nazi scalpells of bureaucrats has been cut, jobs for poisoning wells and killing roma and sinti have been cut too i think . . |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:10 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Is it errata or "authorized market changes"? If it's the latter, I can see why CGL wouldn't want to release it to the US market. They're basically saying, "this version is ok, and that version is ok. We're supporting this version."
If its errata, that sucks. |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:34 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
"It was dumb, it was wrong, it was missing stuff, we changed it." < = sounds like errata to me.
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Jun 2 2011, 09:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 8,495 |
No, the German Line Developer said multiple times, that they don't want to do a German Shadowrun Ruleset. All changes that were made are approved as errata for the US rules, which were translated to German.
cya Tycho |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:44 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
So . . wait a minute . . These changes were cooked up by CGL?
Then translated to german and released with the german version of the books? But not as errata in america? I call shenanigans or somebody was eating paste and sniffing glue at the same time . . |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 8,495 |
For the Augmentation this is true.
For War! the German Developers suggested a couple of changes for things that seemed wrong, translated them to English, sent them to CGL, they were approved (in part) and than put in the German book. So Jason should have a English Doc with all the changes, he only needs to release it... cya Tycho |
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Jun 2 2011, 10:31 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
So Mr.Bob was right . .
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Jun 2 2011, 10:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
I can't think of another game company that takes this attitude. I mean White Wolf makes corrections to their stuff all the time by errata and in some cases change later printings of the books to enclude the errata.
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