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post Oct 10 2011, 05:35 AM
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Is it just me or is Elemental Strike MASSIVELY over-powered?

You have to have Killing Hands to pick it up, but activating it is a Simple Action that lasts for (Magic) turns.

But some of the effects are...insane.

Blast- Virtually guarantees a knockdown
Light- Halves the Impact armor of the target and inflicts a Glare modifier for one turn after the strike, can also ignite flammable materials.
Sand- Halves Impact armor and can jam weapons.
Smoke- Attack damage is Stun resisted as an inhalation vector toxin attack, no armor is used. Also gives Heavy Smoke vision penalty
Sound- Attack is treated as Stun damage but NO ARMOR defends against it except Silence/Hush spells. Also can (read: will) Nauseate and deafen an opponent.
Water- Impact armor is halved and the target is knocked down, unprotected electronics may short out.

Good gods, where is the drawback in this?
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- Socinus   Elemental Strike? WTF?   Oct 10 2011, 05:35 AM
- - Glyph   It's not just you. I would recommend house ru...   Oct 10 2011, 05:54 AM
- - Makki   for melee you have to get in range. while approach...   Oct 10 2011, 06:09 AM
- - JonathanC   I always thought Smoke was the worst, but a forum ...   Oct 10 2011, 06:14 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 12:14 AM)...   Oct 10 2011, 12:55 PM
||- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 10 2011, 05...   Oct 10 2011, 02:21 PM
||- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 09:21 AM)...   Oct 10 2011, 03:39 PM
||- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 10 2011, 07...   Oct 10 2011, 03:50 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 12:14 AM)...   Oct 10 2011, 02:24 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 10 2011, 07:24 AM) Wr...   Oct 10 2011, 02:31 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 09:31 AM)...   Oct 10 2011, 04:28 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 10 2011, 09:28 AM) Yo...   Oct 10 2011, 04:37 PM
||- - Neraph   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 11:37 AM)...   Oct 10 2011, 04:45 PM
||- - Stalag   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 12:37 PM)...   Oct 11 2011, 02:32 AM
||- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Stalag @ Oct 10 2011, 07:32 PM) Un...   Oct 11 2011, 03:09 AM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Neraph @ Oct 10 2011, 11:28 AM) At...   Oct 10 2011, 04:54 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Oct 10 2011, 11...   Oct 10 2011, 04:59 PM
|- - Irion   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 10 2011, 04...   Oct 10 2011, 06:10 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 10 2011, 01:10 PM) Mel...   Oct 10 2011, 06:17 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 10 2011, 12...   Oct 10 2011, 06:44 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 10 2011, 10...   Oct 10 2011, 06:48 PM
|- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 12:58 PM)...   Oct 10 2011, 07:03 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Oct 10 2011, 01...   Oct 10 2011, 07:40 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Socinus @ Oct 10 2011, 07:35 AM) B...   Oct 10 2011, 02:04 PM
|- - Socinus   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Oct 10 2011, 02:04 P...   Oct 10 2011, 06:43 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Socinus @ Oct 10 2011, 02:43 PM) I...   Oct 10 2011, 06:45 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Socinus @ Oct 10 2011, 12:43 PM) I...   Oct 10 2011, 06:46 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   Stunbolt has significantly lower Drain, can be ove...   Oct 10 2011, 03:53 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 10 2011, 07...   Oct 10 2011, 04:00 PM
- - JonathanC   The thing is, Adepts have a *very* limited amount ...   Oct 10 2011, 04:58 PM
- - Yerameyahu   *shrug* Context matters. Until the rest of melee i...   Oct 10 2011, 05:01 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   And the point is that melee is what needs to be fi...   Oct 10 2011, 05:03 PM
- - DamienKnight   Smoke and Sound are the Supermen of Elemental effe...   Oct 10 2011, 05:05 PM
- - JonathanC   I think this is more of an issue of balance betwee...   Oct 10 2011, 05:06 PM
- - Yerameyahu   There are plenty of crazy elements, if your GM sta...   Oct 10 2011, 05:11 PM
- - Seerow   If anything I think Elemental Strike is the genera...   Oct 10 2011, 05:11 PM
- - Bigity   I dunno, all other things being equal, a guy with ...   Oct 10 2011, 06:12 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Bigity @ Oct 10 2011, 02:12 PM) I ...   Oct 10 2011, 06:27 PM
- - Irion   @Bigity Ähm you know the 21 feet rule? QUOTE I du...   Oct 10 2011, 06:25 PM
|- - Bigity   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 10 2011, 01:25 PM) @Bi...   Oct 10 2011, 08:55 PM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 10 2011, 01:25 PM) @Bi...   Oct 10 2011, 09:52 PM
- - CanRay   And the Vietnamese Tomahawks I've heard about....   Oct 10 2011, 06:26 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   Definitely, No doubt about that...   Oct 10 2011, 06:53 PM
- - Glyph   Melee is about right - it is generally an inferior...   Oct 10 2011, 06:54 PM
- - JonathanC   In close quarters, a skilled melee fighter should ...   Oct 10 2011, 07:42 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Oct 10 2011, 03:42 PM)...   Oct 10 2011, 07:55 PM
|- - Miri   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 10 2011, 01:55 PM) ...   Oct 10 2011, 09:22 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Miri @ Oct 10 2011, 05:22 PM) And ...   Oct 10 2011, 09:45 PM
- - Neowulf   Elemental strike was known to be overpowered, even...   Oct 10 2011, 07:58 PM
- - CanRay   Best of both worlds: Bayonet!   Oct 10 2011, 09:06 PM
- - Stahlseele   Gunblades!   Oct 10 2011, 09:16 PM
- - Stahlseele   i still want a silencer for a Burst-Fire/Full-Auto...   Oct 10 2011, 09:35 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   Easy Breakdown.   Oct 10 2011, 09:47 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 10 2011, 05...   Oct 10 2011, 10:50 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 10 2011, 04:50 PM) ...   Oct 10 2011, 10:55 PM
- - Irion   @Kirk The 21 food rule is valid in every encounter...   Oct 10 2011, 10:19 PM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 10 2011, 06:19 PM) @Ki...   Oct 10 2011, 10:39 PM
|- - Irion   QUOTE (Kirk @ Oct 10 2011, 10:39 PM) Wait...   Oct 11 2011, 07:57 AM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 11 2011, 03:57 AM) (mu...   Oct 11 2011, 01:16 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 11 2011, 02:57 AM) Wel...   Oct 11 2011, 02:51 PM
- - CanRay   Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm... 21 Food Rule... That's the...   Oct 10 2011, 10:22 PM
- - Irion   Exactly. It is late and I should go to sleep...   Oct 10 2011, 10:27 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'd say 'yes', regardless. If the vent...   Oct 10 2011, 11:02 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 10 2011, 06...   Oct 10 2011, 11:38 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Even so: big enough for that person, big enough fo...   Oct 10 2011, 11:46 PM
- - Paul   As someone who often deals with use of force in pr...   Oct 10 2011, 11:48 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Yeah, Hollywood has conditioned people to think of...   Oct 11 2011, 12:34 AM
- - Paul   And I'm okay with the game not being a perfect...   Oct 11 2011, 12:36 AM
- - Ascalaphus   I think they went a bit too far in nerfing close c...   Oct 11 2011, 10:38 AM
- - Irion   @Kirk QUOTE iven normal lack of training, most peo...   Oct 11 2011, 01:48 PM
|- - Kirk   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 11 2011, 08:48 AM) @Ki...   Oct 11 2011, 02:20 PM
- - DamienKnight   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 11 2011, 02:57 AM) Wel...   Oct 11 2011, 02:33 PM
|- - HunterHerne   QUOTE (DamienKnight @ Oct 11 2011, 11:33 ...   Oct 11 2011, 02:40 PM
||- - Critias   QUOTE (HunterHerne @ Oct 11 2011, 09:40 A...   Oct 11 2011, 03:22 PM
||- - HunterHerne   QUOTE (Critias @ Oct 11 2011, 12:22 PM) F...   Oct 11 2011, 04:00 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (DamienKnight @ Oct 11 2011, 10:33 ...   Oct 11 2011, 02:40 PM
|- - Stalag   QUOTE (DamienKnight @ Oct 11 2011, 09:33 ...   Oct 11 2011, 07:50 PM
||- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Stalag @ Oct 11 2011, 03:50 PM) No...   Oct 12 2011, 02:23 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (DamienKnight @ Oct 11 2011, 05:33 ...   Oct 11 2011, 10:05 PM
|- - Stalag   QUOTE (Mäx @ Oct 11 2011, 05:05 PM) When ...   Oct 12 2011, 02:11 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stalag @ Oct 11 2011, 08:11 PM) No...   Oct 12 2011, 02:25 AM
|- - Stalag   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Oct 11 2011, 09...   Oct 12 2011, 03:25 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Stalag @ Oct 11 2011, 08:25 PM) Ok...   Oct 12 2011, 03:28 AM
- - Irion   @DamienKnight QUOTE L.O.L. Nothing you can do agai...   Oct 11 2011, 04:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes: you are dead either way. That's how SR4 w...   Oct 11 2011, 04:38 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   And your Practical Experience comes from where, ex...   Oct 11 2011, 04:41 PM
- - Irion   @Tymeaus Jalynsfein Kickboxing, Kungfu, Akido, Swo...   Oct 11 2011, 04:49 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 11 2011, 09:49 AM) @Ty...   Oct 11 2011, 05:44 PM
- - Whipstitch   This is one of those things where frankly I don...   Oct 11 2011, 05:06 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Oct 11 2011, 12:06 PM...   Oct 11 2011, 05:20 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Oct 11 2011, 10:06 AM...   Oct 11 2011, 05:45 PM
- - DamienKnight   I have seen a knife pulled in a confrontation, but...   Oct 11 2011, 06:20 PM
- - Irion   @Tymeaus Jalynsfein Of that: Not enough to make a ...   Oct 11 2011, 06:50 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 11 2011, 12:50 PM) @Ty...   Oct 11 2011, 07:07 PM
- - Critias   So how 'bout that Elemental Strike, huh?   Oct 11 2011, 08:40 PM
- - ggodo   That's what this thread is about? I'd hone...   Oct 11 2011, 08:41 PM
- - Paul   Apparently we're all going to unzip shortly an...   Oct 11 2011, 08:48 PM
- - Irion   @Stalag QUOTE Naturally a game that reflected this...   Oct 11 2011, 09:07 PM
|- - Stalag   QUOTE (Irion @ Oct 11 2011, 04:07 PM) Bac...   Oct 12 2011, 01:48 AM
- - Ascalaphus   It's also messy, because you can't attack ...   Oct 11 2011, 10:13 PM
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