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post Aug 5 2013, 06:56 AM
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I rarely have a toon that utilises SMGs. In every edition they just seem like inferior assault rifles.

What I have always found frustrating is that in every edition (and it seems in 5th Ed as well, but hopefully I've just missed it) the writers tend to do a bad job at defining all the little nuances for all the classes of weapons.

For instance. How many hands does a pistol use? One right? How do we know? Probably some fluff text somewhere or we’re assuming they work the same as real life.

SMGs seem to sit in this void between everything. Bigger than a pistol, smaller than a rifle. What’s it for? Can I use it one-handed? Then why use a pistol, is there a penalty, is the pistol more concealable? Are they easier to use indoors than Rifles? This would make sense, but how does this work mechanically?

Some of this stuff is explained in the SMG description some of it isn’t, bits and pieces are probably sprinkled through the skills and other sections.

To me the weapons chapter needs a stat block for what weapons types share. Eg:

SMG
Skill: Automatics
Hands required: 2 (Can be fired in one at -2, -1 accuracy)
Concealability: -2 dice to palming check
Attachments allowed: Barrel, top, stock
Whatever else I’m forgetting.

So far all I can see SMGs being good for is for versatility why being a combat biker. Pretty niche weapon though…….
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- Smash   Submachine guns   Aug 5 2013, 06:56 AM
- - tasti man LH   The big thing I always viewed with SMGs was that i...   Aug 5 2013, 07:08 AM
- - FuelDrop   QUOTE (Smash @ Aug 5 2013, 02:56 PM) I ra...   Aug 5 2013, 07:16 AM
- - Lynchmob   If you wanted to make them more useful you could e...   Aug 5 2013, 07:17 AM
- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Smash @ Aug 5 2013, 02:56 PM) To m...   Aug 5 2013, 07:34 AM
|- - Ixal   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Aug 5 2013, 08:34 AM...   Aug 5 2013, 07:41 AM
|- - cryptoknight   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Aug 5 2013, 01:34 AM...   Aug 5 2013, 04:30 PM
- - Voran   Basically the same reason you use SMGs in the real...   Aug 5 2013, 07:41 AM
- - Jaid   vs machine pistols: - range - damage - accuracy - ...   Aug 5 2013, 08:54 AM
- - RHat   Generally, any Automatics-using character should h...   Aug 5 2013, 09:01 AM
- - Umidori   SMGs are the largest one-handed firearms, or at le...   Aug 5 2013, 09:11 AM
- - RHat   Well, a FOO option isn't the BEST option to be...   Aug 5 2013, 09:22 AM
- - Umidori   True, but I definitely feel that Assault Rifles ha...   Aug 5 2013, 09:30 AM
|- - cryptoknight   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 5 2013, 03:30 AM) Tr...   Aug 5 2013, 04:35 PM
- - RHat   Yeah, AR's are a bit like that - perhaps the A...   Aug 5 2013, 09:36 AM
- - Umidori   To be honest, I'd consider the Warhawk a +2 co...   Aug 5 2013, 09:57 AM
- - RHat   Layout wise, it wouldn't even be that hard to ...   Aug 5 2013, 10:00 AM
- - Wakshaani   QUOTE (Smash @ Aug 5 2013, 01:56 AM) I ra...   Aug 5 2013, 01:29 PM
- - nezumi   I've used SMGs as the Jack-of-All-Trades. Conc...   Aug 5 2013, 02:03 PM
- - ShadowDragon8685   A submachinegun is a good choice when you need som...   Aug 5 2013, 02:11 PM
- - Shortstraw   Take an M-4A1 Carbine (GH21)- damage of an AR, con...   Aug 5 2013, 02:41 PM
- - Mäx   You can Dualwield almost anything.   Aug 5 2013, 04:23 PM
|- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 5 2013, 09:23 AM) You ca...   Aug 5 2013, 04:55 PM
|- - ShadowDragon8685   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 5 2013, 12:23 PM) You ca...   Aug 5 2013, 05:31 PM
- - Sendaz   But can he dualwield fire and run?   Aug 5 2013, 04:25 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Aug 5 2013, 07:25 PM) But...   Aug 5 2013, 04:31 PM
|- - cryptoknight   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 5 2013, 10:31 AM) Backwa...   Aug 5 2013, 04:44 PM
|- - Skynet   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 5 2013, 06:31 PM) (...) ...   Aug 5 2013, 04:46 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Skynet @ Aug 5 2013, 07:46 PM) The...   Aug 5 2013, 08:15 PM
|- - Ixal   QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 5 2013, 09:15 PM) So tha...   Aug 5 2013, 08:23 PM
- - Sendaz   I have seen Maschinenpistole used but that may jus...   Aug 5 2013, 04:37 PM
- - Elfenlied   Machinenpistole is correct.   Aug 5 2013, 04:40 PM
- - Shinxy   The funny thing is, IRL the same criticisms of SMG...   Aug 5 2013, 05:56 PM
|- - TheOneRonin   QUOTE (Shinxy @ Aug 5 2013, 12:56 PM) The...   Aug 6 2013, 01:08 AM
- - Epicedion   The factors are really cost, portability/concealab...   Aug 6 2013, 03:52 AM
- - Voran   Likewise some of the 'less dmg' aspects of...   Aug 6 2013, 08:34 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Voran @ Aug 6 2013, 01:34 AM) And ...   Aug 6 2013, 09:14 AM
- - Sendaz   I know the SOP is use a tag eraser for the RFID, b...   Aug 6 2013, 09:34 AM
- - Umidori   Well, according to 4E... QUOTE ("SR4A ...   Aug 6 2013, 09:43 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 6 2013, 02:43 AM) Ru...   Aug 6 2013, 09:56 AM
- - Umidori   Point. I suppose if you set the RFID to constantly...   Aug 6 2013, 10:10 AM
- - RHat   Right up until you look at the players (who failed...   Aug 6 2013, 10:25 AM
- - Voran   If you're waltzing through a static checkpoint...   Aug 6 2013, 10:34 AM


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