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Kyrel
post Aug 1 2010, 12:18 AM
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Guys! Help me out with a question which cropped up during a game a couple of nights ago.

If you cast Control Action or another mind control type spell against a target, and the range is LOS, is your dice pool to cast the spell modified by lighting modifiers (low light etc.)? And can you use non-cyber vision enhancement aids to compensate for the lighting conditions?

I realise that you can't cast a LOS spell at a target if you aren't in their physical vicinity, and if you can't see the target. But are my friends right when they claim that you can't use i.e. a pair of contact lenses or glasses with thermographic or low-light vision to assist you seeing your target? And are they they right that your spell casting pool is modified by the lighting conditions (assuming you can't see the target on the Astral plane)? I can get why you need to be able to see the target, in order to target it, and I can get why it might play a role if you are using a spell that somehow "shoots" from you, and needs to "hit" the target. But a mental spell? Something that lashes out against a person's mind?

I've been looking for some sort of rules that support a ruling either way, but I haven't managed it yet. What's your oppinion, and can you point to a place in one of the books that deals with this?


/Kyrel

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- Kyrel   Magic spells and visibility modifiers...   Aug 1 2010, 12:18 AM
- - CanRay   You cannot use "Non-Natural" aids to lig...   Aug 1 2010, 12:25 AM
- - Traul   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Aug 1 2010, 02:18 AM) I re...   Aug 1 2010, 12:42 AM
- - Kyrel   "If they worked, cameras would work too, and ...   Aug 1 2010, 01:07 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Aug 1 2010, 04:07 AM) I re...   Aug 1 2010, 08:20 AM
- - Traul   There is nothing to argue here: it is all written ...   Aug 1 2010, 01:21 AM
- - Kyrel   You're arguably right Traul. From a rules per...   Aug 1 2010, 02:09 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Jul 31 2010, 07:09 PM) You...   Aug 1 2010, 02:32 AM
- - CanRay   After all, if it didn't, then all you'd ha...   Aug 1 2010, 02:34 AM
- - Yerameyahu   If you're in a position to remove a mage's...   Aug 1 2010, 02:41 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 31 2010, 07:41 PM...   Aug 1 2010, 02:49 AM
- - CanRay   Very true. "Man, why does my Hoop hurt so mu...   Aug 1 2010, 03:16 AM
- - Irion   QUOTE ("Kyrel")I realise you can argue t...   Aug 1 2010, 09:17 AM
- - Kyrel   Irion, pls. don't come with the "there ar...   Aug 1 2010, 06:33 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Aug 1 2010, 09:33 PM) Anyw...   Aug 1 2010, 06:44 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No, you just can't use those things *to establ...   Aug 1 2010, 08:24 PM
- - Irion   @Kyrel QUOTE Irion, pls. don't come with the ...   Aug 1 2010, 08:29 PM
|- - Kyrel   QUOTE (Irion @ Aug 1 2010, 10:29 PM) @Kyr...   Aug 2 2010, 12:07 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Aug 2 2010, 02:07 PM) Howe...   Aug 2 2010, 12:18 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Possibly. The existence of optical versions of the...   Aug 1 2010, 08:40 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 1 2010, 03:40 PM)...   Aug 1 2010, 09:00 PM
- - tagz   Yerameyahu nailed it. You can't use anything ...   Aug 1 2010, 09:53 PM
|- - Kyrel   QUOTE (tagz @ Aug 1 2010, 11:53 PM) Yeram...   Aug 2 2010, 12:21 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I just think it's needlessly punitive to mages...   Aug 1 2010, 09:58 PM
- - tagz   Agreed. Though it should be within reason too. C...   Aug 1 2010, 10:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That is a possibility, yes. Even with great 'b...   Aug 1 2010, 10:34 PM
- - Irion   @Mäx It aint possible to get thins like low light ...   Aug 2 2010, 01:10 PM
|- - Kyrel   Irion. 1st. I can't get the multiquote thi...   Aug 2 2010, 06:12 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Kyrel @ Aug 2 2010, 08:12 PM) But ...   Aug 2 2010, 06:33 PM
- - Lanlaorn   Why would they have to "become" transpar...   Aug 2 2010, 01:29 PM
- - Irion   @Lanlaorn Can't tell you. The point is, I can...   Aug 2 2010, 01:39 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Indeed. Some of you are simply not being creative ...   Aug 2 2010, 01:46 PM
- - EndoFury   You can cast indirect spells though, right?   Aug 2 2010, 07:55 PM
- - Irion   @Kyrel Well I get we can finish this, because we t...   Aug 2 2010, 07:58 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Irion @ Aug 2 2010, 12:58 PM) @Kyr...   Aug 2 2010, 11:33 PM
- - DamienKnight   At what point does distance become a factor when c...   Aug 2 2010, 08:13 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (DamienKnight @ Aug 2 2010, 01:13 P...   Aug 2 2010, 11:35 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I've wondered about the range of attack spells...   Aug 3 2010, 02:50 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 2 2010, 07:50 PM)...   Aug 3 2010, 02:52 AM
- - tagz   Yes, but whats the rage penalty for spells? I don...   Aug 3 2010, 03:04 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, there *are* range penalties for Perception t...   Aug 3 2010, 03:17 AM
- - Lanlaorn   Why would you apply range penalties to spells, asi...   Aug 3 2010, 06:10 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Lanlaorn @ Aug 3 2010, 08:10 AM) W...   Aug 3 2010, 06:20 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Exactly.   Aug 3 2010, 12:52 PM


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