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Sixgun_Sage
post Sep 29 2010, 10:16 PM
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I'm a big fan of technomancers, they start off relatively limited but sink some karma in them and they become digital gods, they are also decent second tier combatants when done right (I'm looking at you Accel echo), but I have a question about the biowire echo. Namely it specifies it mimicing the skillwire system, however in Augmentation the expert skillwire specifis it's greater integration in the system as te reason for allowing edge to reroll failure. If this is so shouldn't Biowire as an organic adaptation gain the same benefit (at least)to the system of the technomancer, an individual with a natural affinity for electronic information manipulation and processing. Has this been addressed somewhere I am unaware of such as in 4A or a piece of errata?
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- Sixgun_Sage   Biowire and the Skillwire Expert System   Sep 29 2010, 10:16 PM
- - Aaron   The name "expert system" suggests that t...   Sep 29 2010, 10:23 PM
|- - Sixgun_Sage   QUOTE (Aaron @ Sep 29 2010, 05:23 PM) The...   Sep 29 2010, 11:23 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Sep 29 2010, 06:23 P...   Sep 30 2010, 12:25 AM
|- - Aaron   QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Sep 29 2010, 06:23 P...   Sep 30 2010, 12:53 AM
- - Dumori   If it really irks you let then have an echo for it...   Sep 29 2010, 11:49 PM
- - Sixgun_Sage   Eh, it isn't a huge issue for me, it just seem...   Sep 30 2010, 12:20 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Sep 29 2010, 06:20 P...   Sep 30 2010, 12:30 AM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 29 2010, 07...   Sep 30 2010, 12:33 AM
|- - Sixgun_Sage   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 29 2010, 07...   Sep 30 2010, 12:50 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Sep 29 2010, 05:50 P...   Sep 30 2010, 12:55 AM
|- - Sixgun_Sage   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 29 2010, 07...   Sep 30 2010, 01:00 AM
||- - Walpurgisborn   QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Sep 29 2010, 09:00 P...   Sep 30 2010, 03:43 AM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 29 2010, 07...   Sep 30 2010, 01:07 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It's simple. Biowires duplicates basic Skillwi...   Sep 30 2010, 02:20 AM
- - DMiller   The TM could also use the DIMAP program option whe...   Sep 30 2010, 03:18 AM
|- - Sixgun_Sage   QUOTE (DMiller @ Sep 29 2010, 10:18 PM) T...   Sep 30 2010, 03:24 AM
- - Yerameyahu   They're both only for rerolling failed Tests, ...   Sep 30 2010, 03:30 AM
|- - Sixgun_Sage   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 29 2010, 10:30 PM...   Sep 30 2010, 03:39 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I know, but someone implied that it was better tha...   Sep 30 2010, 03:43 AM
- - Dumori   Of corse with swap maxed an TM can just on the fly...   Sep 30 2010, 05:55 AM
- - DMiller   Keep in mind to emulate a skill they need to gain ...   Sep 30 2010, 05:59 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, only if they have access to the information....   Sep 30 2010, 06:06 AM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 30 2010, 02:06 AM...   Sep 30 2010, 06:18 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I just meant that they can't 'magically...   Sep 30 2010, 06:22 AM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 30 2010, 02:22 AM...   Sep 30 2010, 06:26 AM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 30 2010, 07:22 AM...   Sep 30 2010, 07:20 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm not sure what you mean. KnowSofts are only...   Sep 30 2010, 03:05 PM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 30 2010, 04:05 PM...   Sep 30 2010, 03:15 PM
- - sabs   Don't the rules specifically say that TM's...   Sep 30 2010, 03:06 PM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (sabs @ Sep 30 2010, 04:06 PM) Don...   Sep 30 2010, 03:14 PM
||- - sabs   QUOTE (Dumori @ Sep 30 2010, 04:14 PM) No...   Sep 30 2010, 03:22 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (sabs @ Sep 30 2010, 10:06 AM) Don...   Sep 30 2010, 03:58 PM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (Marcus @ Sep 30 2010, 04:58 PM) Wi...   Sep 30 2010, 04:01 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Dumori @ Sep 30 2010, 11:01 AM) Na...   Sep 30 2010, 04:37 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm not talking about the RAW; obviously, many...   Sep 30 2010, 03:20 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Right, but they should be required to *actually* g...   Sep 30 2010, 04:06 PM
- - sabs   DIMAP coding makes the skillwire expert system a w...   Sep 30 2010, 04:39 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Welcome to 20 posts ago, sabs. Although, the Expe...   Sep 30 2010, 04:41 PM
- - sabs   CF's don't suffer from degradation. Why wo...   Sep 30 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That assumes you're buying them all with Karma...   Sep 30 2010, 04:48 PM
- - sabs   it's true Getting a new skill from rating 0 to...   Sep 30 2010, 04:56 PM
|- - DMiller   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 1 2010, 01:56 AM) it...   Oct 1 2010, 04:10 AM
- - sabs   No I'm not including the karma cost for submer...   Oct 1 2010, 12:54 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 1 2010, 07:54 AM) No I...   Oct 1 2010, 01:24 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 1 2010, 02:24 PM) Unw...   Oct 1 2010, 01:28 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 1 2010, 08:28 AM) Perso...   Oct 1 2010, 02:05 PM
- - sabs   It's +1 for each option or option rating You s...   Oct 1 2010, 02:12 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 1 2010, 09:12 AM) It...   Oct 1 2010, 02:24 PM
- - sabs   Page 270 of the SR4A the Character Improvement Tab...   Oct 1 2010, 02:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That still doesn't make sense…   Oct 1 2010, 02:38 PM
- - sabs   Okay, I'll bite What doesn't make sense? ...   Oct 1 2010, 02:39 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Ah, program options count exactly as an entire ext...   Oct 1 2010, 06:48 PM
- - sabs   Except that the BIOWIRE infor says somethign sligh...   Oct 1 2010, 06:53 PM
- - Yerameyahu   So we were both wrong. That's kinda stupid, t...   Oct 1 2010, 06:57 PM
- - sabs   you cant' get Skillsofts over rating 4 though....   Oct 1 2010, 07:01 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I agree that this isn't for free: you have to ...   Oct 1 2010, 07:07 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 1 2010, 03:07 PM)...   Oct 2 2010, 06:13 AM
- - sabs   Can't i legally buy the skillsoft with all tho...   Oct 1 2010, 07:10 PM
- - Yerameyahu   You can only buy the 'soft with Rating/2 Optio...   Oct 1 2010, 07:27 PM
- - sabs   You're a technomancer what are you using money...   Oct 1 2010, 07:33 PM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 1 2010, 08:33 PM) You...   Oct 1 2010, 07:40 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 1 2010, 08:33 PM) You...   Oct 1 2010, 07:48 PM
- - Sixgun_Sage   Even better is when you buy the skillchip and then...   Oct 1 2010, 07:43 PM
- - sabs   I did say /hacker/ character. My hacker character...   Oct 1 2010, 07:43 PM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 1 2010, 08:43 PM) I did...   Oct 1 2010, 07:44 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No clue, because the limit is Rating/2 and Rating ...   Oct 1 2010, 08:01 PM
- - sabs   It is? I must reread Unwired So it does. Well, I...   Oct 1 2010, 08:01 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's the general Option rule. Yeah, DIMAP suck...   Oct 1 2010, 08:03 PM
- - sabs   Well it sucks for mundanes who can get expert skil...   Oct 1 2010, 08:05 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Mhm. Well, cyborgs could be a special exception, b...   Oct 2 2010, 04:00 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 2 2010, 10:00 AM)...   Oct 4 2010, 12:30 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Interesting!   Oct 4 2010, 12:31 AM
- - DMiller   The FAQ does say that you can't thread-up a sk...   Oct 4 2010, 09:37 PM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (DMiller @ Oct 4 2010, 10:37 PM) Th...   Oct 4 2010, 10:15 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Dumori @ Oct 4 2010, 06:15 PM) Off...   Oct 4 2010, 10:20 PM
||- - Dumori   QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 4 2010, 11:20 PM) I t...   Oct 4 2010, 10:24 PM
|- - Udoshi   edit: oops. Didn't see page 4. someone beat me...   Oct 5 2010, 03:45 AM
- - Yerameyahu   On the face of it, that just sounds bad, Dumori. ...   Oct 5 2010, 02:07 AM
|- - Dumori   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 5 2010, 03:07 AM)...   Oct 5 2010, 01:49 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Right. So, that pretty much answers all my questio...   Oct 5 2010, 03:57 AM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 4 2010, 11:57 PM)...   Oct 5 2010, 06:33 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 5 2010, 12:33 AM) Whi...   Oct 7 2010, 02:05 AM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 6 2010, 09:05 PM) TM:...   Oct 7 2010, 07:01 AM
||- - Udoshi   Well, it appears the devs have put their foot down...   Oct 22 2010, 08:57 PM
|- - Laughing One   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Oct 7 2010, 02:05 AM) TM:...   Oct 7 2010, 10:14 AM
- - sabs   You're a technomancer with software skill, you...   Oct 5 2010, 12:23 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 5 2010, 08:23 AM) What ...   Oct 5 2010, 01:44 PM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (Marcus @ Oct 5 2010, 02:44 PM) Bee...   Oct 5 2010, 02:10 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (sabs @ Oct 5 2010, 10:10 AM) you s...   Oct 5 2010, 02:18 PM
- - jakephillips   Hey when the same guy delivers pizza to your place...   Oct 6 2010, 03:00 AM
|- - sabs   QUOTE (jakephillips @ Oct 6 2010, 03:00 A...   Oct 6 2010, 12:57 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I still don't think anything should be allowed...   Oct 7 2010, 02:11 AM
- - Yerameyahu   See, exactly what I asked. Thanks!   Oct 7 2010, 01:20 PM
- - Dumori   So did I but the ability to long time serrise a sp...   Oct 7 2010, 03:00 PM
|- - Marcus   QUOTE (Dumori @ Oct 7 2010, 10:00 AM) So ...   Oct 7 2010, 03:09 PM
- - MuscaDomestica   Can you use a Tutor Sprite to run the skill soft a...   Oct 13 2010, 08:28 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It appears that you have to have access to actual ...   Oct 13 2010, 08:33 PM
- - Yerameyahu   QUOTE Yes you certainly can do that, but is there ...   Oct 23 2010, 02:42 AM
- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 22 2010, 08:42 PM...   Oct 23 2010, 07:06 AM
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