IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V   1 2 >  
 Reply to this topicStart new topic
> A Yacht?, How big is a 17,000 Nuyen Yacht?
fastdos
post Sep 20 2005, 01:58 AM
Post #1


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 22
Joined: 2-April 03
From: PHX
Member No.: 4,367
I'm struggling to rationalize the yacht prices in SR4. How big would the Sea Nymph be? in RL Yachts are considerably more expensive. Is this actually a sailboat?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
eidolon
post Sep 20 2005, 02:24 AM
Post #2


ghostrider
********

Group: Retired Admins
Posts: 4,196
Joined: 16-May 04
Member No.: 6,333
Funny, I would think that 17000 would buy you a canoe and one oar.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
JongWK
post Sep 20 2005, 03:25 AM
Post #3


Shooting Target
****

Group: Validating
Posts: 1,618
Joined: 29-January 03
From: Montevideo, Uruguay.
Member No.: 3,992
Reading the watercraft section on p.341 and looking at the table in the next one, I'm inclined to believe there's a missing zero. That'd make sense.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
sapphire_wyvern
post Sep 20 2005, 03:28 AM
Post #4


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 158
Joined: 4-August 02
Member No.: 3,064
I recommend posting this to the SR4 Errata thread.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
chevalier_neon
post Sep 20 2005, 09:29 AM
Post #5


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 126
Joined: 17-April 05
Member No.: 7,341
If you are using 1nuyen = 1 euro (or US$), your 17,000.00 nuyen yacht will be one meter long. The price of a yacht is generally 1 meter per 15,000.00 euros. If your yacht is in fact 170,000.00 nuyens, it would be 10 meters long...
So two solutions: or the price of yacht have incredibly decreased in 65 years... Or it's not a yacht but a 10 meters sailboat...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lord Ben
post Sep 20 2005, 01:05 PM
Post #6


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 600
Joined: 31-August 05
Member No.: 7,659
Or by Yacht they mean luxury fishing boat...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Crusher Bob
post Sep 20 2005, 01:25 PM
Post #7


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,598
Joined: 15-March 03
From: Hong Kong
Member No.: 4,253
Here's a posting for a 10 years old 40' Hatteras. He's asking 284,500 USD for it. It looks like the older (20-30 years old) and crappier boats in the same size class are going for ~150,000 USD with the newer ones going for ~ 350,000 USD.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lord Ben
post Sep 20 2005, 01:41 PM
Post #8


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 600
Joined: 31-August 05
Member No.: 7,659
Here is what could be considered a Yacht for 12,000. It's not what I would consider a yacht, but for ease of game mechanics it's better than having an "oversized large lake fishing boat with it's own bedroom" category... Yacht works much better.

http://www.iboats.com/sites/innerharbormar...um_index_1.html
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
blakkie
post Sep 20 2005, 02:03 PM
Post #9


Dragon
********

Group: Members
Posts: 4,718
Joined: 14-September 02
Member No.: 3,263
QUOTE (JongWK)
Reading the watercraft section on p.341 and looking at the table in the next one, I'm inclined to believe there's a missing zero. That'd make sense.

Ya, me to. As for it being a "yacht", notice that it's Body is 18. The same as a twin-prop plane and less than a Banshee T-Bird. It won't be showing up an a Richard Leech special any time soon.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Crusher Bob
post Sep 20 2005, 02:14 PM
Post #10


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,598
Joined: 15-March 03
From: Hong Kong
Member No.: 4,253
Some google-fu says that the C-12 twin engine prop plane has a max takeoff weight of ~15000 pounds

Some rought numbers for boat displacement seem to be:
30' boat ~ 8000 -15000 pounds
40' boat ~15000 - 30000 pounds
50' boat ~30,000+ pounds
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
blakkie
post Sep 20 2005, 02:23 PM
Post #11


Dragon
********

Group: Members
Posts: 4,718
Joined: 14-September 02
Member No.: 3,263
Ya, a 12m boat. Nothing spectacular.....but certainly not something that costs the same as a brand new Mercury Comet w/Rigger Box.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Crusher Bob
post Sep 20 2005, 02:25 PM
Post #12


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,598
Joined: 15-March 03
From: Hong Kong
Member No.: 4,253
Erm, those 12 meter boats seem to go for a cool quarter mil+ when new.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
blakkie
post Sep 20 2005, 02:34 PM
Post #13


Dragon
********

Group: Members
Posts: 4,718
Joined: 14-September 02
Member No.: 3,263
QUOTE (Crusher Bob)
Erm, those 12 meter boats seem to go for a cool quarter mil+ when new.

Ya well we know the price is off. :P Maybe only an 8m then? *shrug* Or completely bare hull without the toys (kitchen/furnishings/fittings/etc.).
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lord Ben
post Sep 20 2005, 02:47 PM
Post #14


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 600
Joined: 31-August 05
Member No.: 7,659
Did you guys look at http://www.iboats.com/sites/innerharbormar...um_index_1.html ?

That's a "yacht" that's within the SR4 price at only 12k.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
blakkie
post Sep 20 2005, 02:52 PM
Post #15


Dragon
********

Group: Members
Posts: 4,718
Joined: 14-September 02
Member No.: 3,263
QUOTE (Lord Ben @ Sep 20 2005, 08:47 AM)
Did you guys look at http://www.iboats.com/sites/innerharbormar...um_index_1.html ?

That's a "yacht" that's within the SR4 price at only 12k.

20 years old and i believe you might call that a 'cabin cruiser'.

EDIT: Perhaps that is what the authors were thinking about? A cabin cruiser? Still seems kinda small for an 18 Body (which in the past wasn't just a matter of weight, hard to say ). But their description sounds more like they are talking about a 1,700,000 boat.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Crusher Bob
post Sep 20 2005, 02:53 PM
Post #16


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,598
Joined: 15-March 03
From: Hong Kong
Member No.: 4,253
The boat is more than 20 years old...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lord Ben
post Sep 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Post #17


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 600
Joined: 31-August 05
Member No.: 7,659
Sure, but it's still well within the "yacht" category still IMHO. At least for game mechanics purposes.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
blakkie
post Sep 20 2005, 02:58 PM
Post #18


Dragon
********

Group: Members
Posts: 4,718
Joined: 14-September 02
Member No.: 3,263
QUOTE (Lord Ben)
Sure, but it's still well within the "yacht" category still IMHO. At least for game mechanics purposes.

QUOTE
Marine Tech Sea Nymph: An opulent luxury yacht for those who like to sail in style.


I wouldn't say that thing is oozing "style", and "opulent" in comparison to what? The broom closet at the back of 7-11? ;)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lord Ben
post Sep 20 2005, 03:03 PM
Post #19


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 600
Joined: 31-August 05
Member No.: 7,659
Maybe the opulent part is the errata? I just don't like assuming it's wrong because the price doens't match your definition of what a yacht costs.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
blakkie
post Sep 20 2005, 03:10 PM
Post #20


Dragon
********

Group: Members
Posts: 4,718
Joined: 14-September 02
Member No.: 3,263
QUOTE (Lord Ben @ Sep 20 2005, 09:03 AM)
Maybe the opulent part is the errata?  I just don't like assuming it's wrong because the price doens't match your definition of what a yacht costs.

QUOTE
yacht
n : an expensive vessel propelled by sail or power and used for cruising or racing [syn: racing yacht] v : travel in a yacht


It is much easier to drop a zero than add in the word oppulent, therefore it would see that the error likely occured in the pricing. Where you want to make the adjustment is entirely up to you.

P.S. Speaking of prices the Limo price seems kinda off too, but i assume that has been brought up before?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Crusher Bob
post Sep 20 2005, 03:17 PM
Post #21


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,598
Joined: 15-March 03
From: Hong Kong
Member No.: 4,253
Here's a listing for a Porche 911 for 17K USD. And it's definitely a sports car... That means, brand new it's going to cost, what, may be twice that? :rotfl:

Of course, in a world where 'heavy' utility choppers can be had for only 500K or so, I guess anything is possible. (A Sikorsky S-70A seems to go for around 10-12 million)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Jrayjoker
post Sep 20 2005, 03:40 PM
Post #22


Neophyte Runner
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,453
Joined: 17-September 04
From: St. Paul
Member No.: 6,675
Well, at least they got rid of the 12 pound cel phone...:D
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
hobgoblin
post Sep 20 2005, 03:52 PM
Post #23


panda!
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 10,331
Joined: 8-March 02
From: north of central europe
Member No.: 2,242
dont forget to add availability markup (if its still around) to the final cost.

im guessing that the list price given for any item is the one that you get if you take the time to shop around and look for good bargains.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Crusher Bob
post Sep 20 2005, 03:55 PM
Post #24


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,598
Joined: 15-March 03
From: Hong Kong
Member No.: 4,253
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
walkir
post Sep 20 2005, 04:20 PM
Post #25


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 18
Joined: 24-August 05
Member No.: 7,608
As it is listend in Rigger 3 it is a Yacht. The Sea Nymph is a "similar modell"(?) of the Harland & Wolff Classique - see Rigger 3.01D p. 175. Unfortunaltely I don't know the page of the english version.

So it seems like they forgot a zero.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
« Next Oldest · Shadowrun · Next Newest »
 

2 Pages V   1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 

Display Mode: Standard · Switch to: Linear+ · Switch to: Outline

Track this topic · Email this topic · Print this topic · Subscribe to this forum

RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 28th April 2024 - 09:50 AM
Powered By IP.Board © 2024  IPS, Inc.

Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.