I'm struggling to rationalize the yacht prices in SR4. How big would the Sea Nymph be? in RL Yachts are considerably more expensive. Is this actually a sailboat?

Funny, I would think that 17000 would buy you a canoe and one oar.

Reading the watercraft section on p.341 and looking at the table in the next one, I'm inclined to believe there's a missing zero. That'd make sense.

I recommend posting this to the SR4 Errata thread.

If you are using 1nuyen = 1 euro (or US$), your 17,000.00 nuyen yacht will be one meter long. The price of a yacht is generally 1 meter per 15,000.00 euros. If your yacht is in fact 170,000.00 nuyens, it would be 10 meters long...
So two solutions: or the price of yacht have incredibly decreased in 65 years... Or it's not a yacht but a 10 meters sailboat...

Or by Yacht they mean luxury fishing boat...

Here's a posting for a 10 years old 40' Hatteras. He's asking 284,500 USD for it. It looks like the older (20-30 years old) and crappier boats in the same size class are going for ~150,000 USD with the newer ones going for ~ 350,000 USD.

Here is what could be considered a Yacht for 12,000. It's not what I would consider a yacht, but for ease of game mechanics it's better than having an "oversized large lake fishing boat with it's own bedroom" category... Yacht works much better.

http://www.iboats.com/sites/innerharbormar...um_index_1.html

Some google-fu says that the C-12 twin engine prop plane has a max takeoff weight of ~15000 pounds

Some rought numbers for boat displacement seem to be:
30' boat ~ 8000 -15000 pounds
40' boat ~15000 - 30000 pounds
50' boat ~30,000+ pounds

Ya, a 12m boat. Nothing spectacular.....but certainly not something that costs the same as a brand new Mercury Comet w/Rigger Box.

Erm, those 12 meter boats seem to go for a cool quarter mil+ when new.

Did you guys look at http://www.iboats.com/sites/innerharbormar...um_index_1.html ?

That's a "yacht" that's within the SR4 price at only 12k.

The boat is more than 20 years old...

Sure, but it's still well within the "yacht" category still IMHO. At least for game mechanics purposes.

Maybe the opulent part is the errata? I just don't like assuming it's wrong because the price doens't match your definition of what a yacht costs.

Here's a listing for a Porche 911 for 17K USD. And it's definitely a sports car... That means, brand new it's going to cost, what, may be twice that?

Of course, in a world where 'heavy' utility choppers can be had for only 500K or so, I guess anything is possible. (A Sikorsky S-70A seems to go for around 10-12 million)

Well, at least they got rid of the 12 pound cel phone...

dont forget to add availability markup (if its still around) to the final cost.

im guessing that the list price given for any item is the one that you get if you take the time to shop around and look for good bargains.

Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.

As it is listend in Rigger 3 it is a Yacht. The Sea Nymph is a "similar modell"(?) of the Harland & Wolff Classique - see Rigger 3.01D p. 175. Unfortunaltely I don't know the page of the english version.

So it seems like they forgot a zero.

So, have we reached consensus yet? They dropped a zero.

I'm going to treat it as a real nice cabin cruiser personally. The Otter seems to be your generic fishing boat and for 5k more you can get the Nymph, which would seem to be roughly a nice cabin cruiser.

I'll be expecting an extra '0' in some upcoming Errata.

I think that's because they had major breakthrough in luxury vehicle tech between 2060-2070 , so they can cut their price dramatically... Look, the Mitsubshi Nightsky cost only 20 000 ¥ ....

Cool! I beg everyone not to tell my GM, Iam planning to buy a whole BUNCH of them...

and than, later, prolly a half year from now I spring him with the Errata and tell him, I'll sell those Yachts for, ok, say 20% List price ^^

Hotmon, I'll be stinkin Rich!
[EDIT] Bummer, he reads the board regularly [/EDIT]

Ah, anyway, would be nice to have such stuff at chargen, but well, if you wanna have one, I guess most GM would allow it anyway. Expect to get it blown to pieces real soon, real fast though

Regards
Daniel

In Rigger 3, the Harland & Wolff Classique (which listed the Sea Nymph as a "similar model") retailed for 207,500 .

I'd say we're looking at a typo here. Boats don't generally drop in price 90% in six years.

uh yes they do look at the prices for wried flexes dropped 80%
prices for stuff has dropped dramatically across the board and i haven't seen where yachts now give you 90% off lifestyle costs... therefore the old price is no longer justified from a game balance perspective

I think yer all wrong. I think that's the correct price, 17,000 and it's only a meter long. But the AR installed is excellent as it gives the impression that it's 12m complete with bar, swimming pool and boat bunnies. The high body and armor takes into account that it has a 12 inch solid steel hull and the speed listed is the AR speed. At first I was confused as to why they'd name a 1 meter steel box "nymph" but then realized that their target demographic was male, 18-30, steel boxes. All this makes greater sense when you realize that it's a yacht, and that the word yacht is a variant on an old Finnish word, "yauk'het," which translates (roughly) to, "strong box who watches ocean with open lid."

Of course, in my game, I'll house rule it so that it's 170,000 , change the length to 10m or so, and take out the whole AR and steel hull thing. But I'm not playing with any steel boxes who might cry that I'm a bigot and a boxist.

I've added this to the Errata thread.

I don't remember the specifics, but there was a previous product that had a jet-ski type watercraft that was too expensive by a factor of ten. Apparently, the final zero on this yacht's price was sucked into the past by a spacetime vortex and ended up there.

As a footnote I talked to the DM and we're ruling it a nice cabin cruiser good enough for a person (or two if they share a bed) to live in. Thus I'm buying one and living in it instead of having an apartment.

Honnestly, this is the price only for the yacht... then you should subscribe marine services, that are in fact :
- Registration of the yacht in a jurisdiction
- Licences for the radio
- And of course, a place on the pier... which is damned expensive, and I know many harbour where you cannot get a place for at least the next 4-5 years...

In the end, if the price of a yacht (I cannot use this word for "that", sorry)... haem, so if the price of the boat can be quiet high, it is also really expensive in yearly expenses...

That's why I have a high lifestyle. That covers rental. Also I have a contact who's the harbormaster, he keeps my boat off the records.

I'd agree, 17K will maybe get you a 3.5 metre runabout or low end ski boat (outboard).

In even looking at used yachts, a 30+ year old 70ft Bertham Avenger (classic type motor yacht representative of what a high end corp exec would have) will run you about 250 - 300K today's economy depending on condition and cabin appointments.

New? Get ready to pony up at least 3 million or more for a comparable vessel to the one above, 8 digits for anything beyond a 100 ft Keel that is also rigged for high seas ops.

Mates, I think they dropped at least one zero on that price