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post Sep 26 2005, 11:32 PM
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blakkie: Try this.
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post Sep 26 2005, 11:34 PM
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I bow[-wow?] before your Link-Fu. :notworthy:
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post Sep 26 2005, 11:56 PM
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Hope it can shapeshift into something with thumbs, or has friends standing by. :)
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post Sep 27 2005, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Sep 26 2005, 06:44 AM)
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Kids, armor piercing rounds work because they are [...] coated, usually with tephlon.

Nope. Read away.

Just what is it going to take?

Every time someone talks shit about armor piercing teflon, I die a little inside.
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post Sep 27 2005, 12:20 AM
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Perhaps even a little moreso when they spell it wrong. :)
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post Sep 27 2005, 12:50 AM
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What if you used that Ares Supersquirt to spray molten teflon onto an armored person? :)
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post Sep 27 2005, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE (Arethusa)
QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Sep 26 2005, 06:44 AM)
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Kids, armor piercing rounds work because they are [...] coated, usually with tephlon.

Nope. Read away.

Just what is it going to take?

Every time someone talks shit about armor piercing teflon, I die a little inside.

It is slightly better than armor-piercing hollowpoints.
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post Sep 27 2005, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
What if you used that Ares Supersquirt to spray molten teflon onto an armored person? :)

Everyone nearby would get flu-like symptoms and the target would slip and fall down?
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post Sep 27 2005, 01:42 AM
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QUOTE (Raygun @ Sep 26 2005, 05:56 PM)
Hope it can shapeshift into something with thumbs, or has friends standing by. :)

Shifters always need friends! Someone has to carry the Kibbles and Bits. Well i suppose if the straps were very strong stretchies or or they had servo motors and with strain gauges on the straps so that control circuitry could be used to keep a constant snugness as the resizing/reshaping occured the shifter could put on the armour before shifting from humanoid form. :cyber:
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post Sep 27 2005, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE (Arethusa)
Every time someone talks shit about armor piercing teflon, I die a little inside.

Especially when it comes from Snow Fox, who should know better by now.
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post Sep 27 2005, 02:52 AM
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It's true a Shapeshifter can just stay in human form and benefit from armor normally, but a Shapeshifter in human form is just a relatively normal character (a rather poor one, if you're building them using limited BP) with Regeneration and the Dual-Natured (dis)advantage. I doubt your GM is going to bother using Shapeshifters and never having them transform on you.

That said, I guess if your major campaign villain turns out to be a Shapeshifter with magical armor or cyber-widgets or something, maybe you would need special ammo to even the score. Maybe. I'd still rather tussle with some wonky 'Shifter than a Dragon or a Shadow Spirit or a Cyberzombie or a Vampire or...

Well, you get the idea. Personally I only ever had one character even carry silver bullets; usually you just need to get the Melee Adept a silvered whackamajig and you can consider 'Shifters everywhere pretty much boned.
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post Sep 27 2005, 03:49 AM
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I like the idea of molten teflon or something.


I wonder just how many BBEGs in Shadowrun have the high Athletics skill you'd need to consistantly stand up in a pool of rapidly-expanding ultra-lubricant?


And remember, don't feel sorry for 'em when they're done. Whip out your dual Uzis and let 'em have it.
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post Sep 27 2005, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Sep 26 2005, 07:50 PM)
What if you used that Ares Supersquirt to spray molten teflon onto an armored person? :)

And what-if the Supersquirt was your ally spirit? :grinbig:
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post Sep 28 2005, 06:12 PM
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Don't forget, folks:

Several major body armor manufacturers (Second Chance, for example) currently produce bullet-resistant vests for police dogs--usually the medium- to large-sized breeds, such as Doberman pinschers, German Shepherds, and Labrador/Golden Retrievers.

An animal 'shifter just *MIGHT* have the foresight to purchase such a vest--provided, of course, that his/her animal form is small enough to wear it.

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post Sep 28 2005, 06:40 PM
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oooooh, good point.
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post Sep 28 2005, 06:52 PM
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aww, you mean i can't have a vest for my crack sniffing shitzu?
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post Sep 28 2005, 07:05 PM
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Sure you can, take one kevlar helmet, now take your diamond/carbide bladed tablesaw and cut the dog to fit the helmet. Liberally apply epoxy to seal wounds and attach the pooch to the helmet, voila, armored crotch terror.
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post Sep 28 2005, 08:04 PM
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Hmmm... I remember paying a bit so I can outfit a few claymores with silver ball bearings to help solve some shifter problems.

Only down side was the expense AND that the stupid GM decided to make it a funky game of mixing some WoD elements into the game so we have shifters who are immune to silver and all that stupid crud. I really hated how the game then devolved to some players being a free spirit, one a dragon, blah, blah. Blech, bad memories starting up again. Yeah I hate powergaming and that's what it devolved to. :(
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post Sep 28 2005, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (Foreigner)
Don't forget, folks:

Several major body armor manufacturers (Second Chance, for example) currently produce bullet-resistant vests for police dogs--usually the medium- to large-sized breeds, such as Doberman pinschers, German Shepherds, and Labrador/Golden Retrievers.

An animal 'shifter just *MIGHT* have the foresight to purchase such a vest--provided, of course, that his/her animal form is small enough to wear it.

--Foreigner

He's also going to need the foresight to have someone to dress him in it, unless his animal form has the Stupid Pet Tricks edge.

In any case, it's unlikely to be happening in the heat of combat or a similar high-stress situation, which is where a shadowrunner is likely to be witnesses shapeshifter transformations.
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post Sep 28 2005, 10:42 PM
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A good Shapeshifter does not just transform in the heat of battle. It is a strategic decision. Smaller shifters can assume animal form for infiltration, recon, or retreat, so can flying shifters. Larger shifters will practically never have a good reason to assume animal form near combat, except for the rare cases when animal form stats are superior than human stats and the shufter just wants to maul someone. Larger shifters can best apply their animal forms toward intimidation and interrogation.
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post Oct 1 2005, 12:08 PM
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Anyone who wants to see an excellent description of how a Shapeshifter lives, thinks, and fights should check out Shapcano's first novel, "Inheritance".

http://www.shapcano.com
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post Oct 2 2005, 05:13 PM
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Hey, I have an idea. Colloidal silver is inexpensive and often used in snake-oil remedies. What about a squirt weapon that combines colloidal silver and DMSO? I'm not sure if it would work, since the silver is only suspended in the water, but it might.
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post Oct 3 2005, 01:21 PM
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Halloween Jack:

Um, no offense, but I *think* that somebody else already beat you to it.

Namely, *ME*.

Check my post on Page One.

No offense taken, though--after all, great minds think alike. ;)

--Foreigner
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