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 Sep 28 2005, 02:15 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659  |
What is the best cyberware package for the 250k? When building I took the obvious Wired 2 for initiative and cyberears eyes to I could communicate with the team.
Bioware I got primarily ones that increase stats. Anyone have any real good packages for the 250K? So far I'm getting: Cyberware: Wired 2 Cyber Ears w/lots of goodies Cyber Eyes w/lots of goodies --------------- 50k and 3.9E Bioware: Bone Density R4 Muscle Aug R2 Muscle Toner R2 Tailored Pheromones R2 Cerebral Boosters R2 --------------------- 160k and 2.8E |
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Sep 28 2005, 02:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
What are you going for with you're character? That would help a person pick the best...
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Sep 28 2005, 02:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
I was just wondering about typical stuff for combat, etc. Ways of starting with 5.99 and enough money to split a cheeseburger.. :)
But for my character he's a Street Ninja. I would say Sam, but one guy in the group is actually RPing a sam with code of ethics and all that so I won't say I'm a Samurai. Sort of a car theif/burglar who can sell his own stuff. Hardware 1 +2 maglocks, hacking 1 +2 cars, infiltration 4, negotiation 4. Edit: And of course automatics at 5! |
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Sep 28 2005, 02:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,660 |
Hmm, no "code of ethics"... unless you report to a higher authority, he sounds more like a cybered street thug than a ninja to me. Maybe ninja has a different meaning in this setting? |
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Sep 28 2005, 02:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,569 |
How about a Street Ronin?
EDIT: Not to derail the thread further... sorry :oops: |
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Sep 28 2005, 02:38 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
even Ronin have their own code, as do ninja. Thug definitely sounds more appropriate.
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Sep 28 2005, 02:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
I'm basing it off this description: -
ninja - a group of men and women specially trained for espionage and assassination; generally drawn from the lower classes and used by the daimyo to assassinate enemies and penetrate enemy fortresses But at any rate, I just mean the skill set, not actually a ninja with jumpsuit, etc. And no, I'm not a thug, I'm a shadowrunner. |
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Sep 28 2005, 02:45 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Ninja also served to preserve order among the lower castes of Japan, when many Samurai would not be bothered to spend time among them. It's not always the case, but an orderly society serves the ninja better than lawlessness.
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Sep 28 2005, 02:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
Whatever their role in ancient Japan I see my role as mainly being able to be sneaky while getting inside a place, yet kick much butt on my way out the door when the alarm gets triggered.
And smell pretty when selling stuff... :) |
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Sep 28 2005, 02:47 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
Looking at your choices, you might consider Reflex Recorders or Platelete Factory. Other than that, I wouldn't know...
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Sep 28 2005, 02:49 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Then I'd recommend upping your Hardware, maybe going full electronics group as well as infiltration group over combat skills like automatics that are almost assurredly going to draw attention to yourself.
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Sep 28 2005, 03:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,660 |
Without a code of ethics, I see no difference. In fact, I'd argue that even a shadowrunner needs a code of ethics- or they won't last long in the biz. Depending upon the campaign, this may not be just a matter of word choice. The real owners of the 'titles' may take exception to street trash crowding in on their profession. Also Johnsons and Fixers will use thugs for different types of missions than they'd use Ninja or Samurai. |
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Sep 28 2005, 03:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
not nessicarily true. There'd be plenty of biz...just all of it unsavory and not the type most shadowrunning groups would want. Ie, go burn down that orphanage and make sure all the kids and staff burn to death inside so we can build our shopping mall. |
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Sep 28 2005, 03:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
I just mean that one of hte characters is a native Japanese who follows Bushido, which is why I wanted to stay away from the Samurai term. Also, in our campaign we use the street same term to relate to any non-magic gun-bunny.
And yes, I'd have a code of ethics. Just not Bushido. |
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Sep 28 2005, 04:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,660 |
I was also thinking they'd get more of the 'expendable' asset jobs. After all, since they would turn on you (the Johnson) given the chance- why not use them for those tasks most likely to whack the runners on it. Beats losing the futures services of a honorable team. Hence my "not last long" comment. |
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Sep 28 2005, 04:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,660 |
The actual Bushido code? The term "Street Samurai" generally refers to those who follow what could be called a 'watered down' version of Bushido. One can claim this term without conflict with one who claims he is Samurai (note the lack of "street" before the title). Btw, I would not expect a character who actually followed the full Bushido code to last long in Shadowrun. His honor would soon demand his own death. But that depends of course upon the details of the exact campaign. |
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Sep 28 2005, 04:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
I'm sure his will be watered down and he won't be splitting his guts anytime soon to preserve honor but he's taken to bonzai tree pruning and haiku writing during his spare time.
At any rate, Ninja is just the term I choose to say that I'm a stealthy street guy (with the chameleon suit) who's not quite the same as the Samurai. Yes, I'll be keeping my word and having a code of honor. At any rate though, mostly I was just looking for various Cyberwear templates that could be used in an all-purpose combat role. |
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Sep 28 2005, 04:28 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Silly wabbit you don't expend such people you look at the run and engineer it such thast it is in the honorless ninja's best interests to do things your way. Remember it is the SOP of the Mr Johnson divisins in the meacorps to assume that ALL shadowrunners will turn on their johnson given the chance the no code of ethics guy is actually LESS likely to turn on his J because he will never find his ethics clashing with his job |
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Sep 28 2005, 04:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
Well actualy He might be inclined to screw/kill the johnson after he gets paid since he has no ethics and well he already got paid. So yeah I'd use them kinda more as expendable assets. They're far more unpredictable.
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Sep 28 2005, 05:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
Ethics and common sense are not mutually exclusive.
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Sep 28 2005, 05:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 153 Joined: 7-November 04 Member No.: 6,811 |
I have only once seen a player actually try to play up an honorable runner route in my games. Most "honorable runner" concepts I've come across are simply criminals who won't commit a crime against humanity. Usually.
Of course, the archetypical shadowrun has the PCs steal, destroy, kidnap, and murder on the whim of their faceless, souless corporate masters for money. Given that, I'm not surprised that the PCs are generally bad people who are only seen as honorable by contrast with the even worse people they assoicate with. Still, the idea amuses me and I continue to wait for the day someone declares "I toss the defenseless thug a weapon and draw my knife." instead of "I take out my SMG and fire two bursts at the defenseless thug." |
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Sep 28 2005, 05:32 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
I've played characters like that. Now, mind you the thugs usually were not defenseless, that halitosis was murder...
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Sep 28 2005, 05:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,660 |
Yep, very expendable. Controlling a shadowrunner over the long term is difficult without the assistance of an ethical code. Given that a betrayal can happen long after the run itself, as a Johnson I'd be highly interested in ridding myself of a possible loose cannon. So if a run requires a diversion or the like where the muscle is likely to die, I know who I'd pick for the run. And I can also view it as a public service, something to ease my mind about my own sins in the biz. Even if the word got out, most shadowrunners would likely consider it a good thing, the scum who gives them a bad name is gone and it their leaving even helped the more honorable team. So, short ugly jobs are good for them. And jobs where they are expected to die and/or get captured. Save the high end missions for the honorable teams. Just be sure not to appear to shaft them from your end or you may as a matter of honor become their target. |
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Sep 28 2005, 05:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,660 |
You wouldn't have to want long in the campaign I'm in. But I'll have to say that in many ways it's not a typical shadowrun campaign. |
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Sep 28 2005, 05:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
Well, a Johnson should be just as worried as the PC's are about his own reputation. A Johnson who gets teams killed will have a hard time finding people to do work for him.
Or at least he should. |
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