Ape The 4 Armed Wonder, by request... Options

[Shadow_Prophet]

Ok I believe it was Ravenus who asked me to redesign Ape (my 4 armed troll) in 4th ed to see how he would come out. So here's how he ends up...

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Name: Ape
Race: Trog

Starting BP: 400

Stats
B - 8 (7 torso) (3 avg across cyberlimbs)
A - 3 (7 arms)
R - 3
S - 5 (7 arms)
C - 3
I - 3
L - 3
W - 4

EDGE 2

Init - 6
Init Passes - 1

Essence - 1.5
Magic - 0

Qualities

Ambidex +5
Addiction Mild Stims -5 (EDIT: Changed from cigars thanks to Nikoli showing me where i missed the adiction qualifier that nicotine is not acceptable :) )

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Skills

Firearms Skill Group - 4
Unarmed Combat - 3
First Aid (combat wounds) - 3 (+2)
Athletics Skill Group - 3
Infiltration - 3
Perception - 2
Demolition - 1
Heavy Weapons - 5

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Know Skills (haven't spent)
Languages (haven't spent)
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Cyberware

4 x ALPHAware Obvious Cyberarms
--4 x ALPHAware Gyromounts
--4 x ALPHAware 4x Agil enhancements
--4 x ALPHAware 4x Str enhancements

ALPHAware Cybertorso
--4x ALPHAware body enhancements
--ALPHAware Large Smuggling Compartment

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Gear

4 x Ingram White Knight
Contact Lenses
--Flare Compensation
--Smartlink
--Imagelink
Earbuds
Subvocal mic
SonyEmperor Commlink
Isis Orb OS
Fake SIN rtg 2

Squatter Lifestyle

Physical Boxes 15 (well 17 but you can't have over 15 with the damage track)
Stun Boxes 10

Notes - From my calculations (which may be flawed as i'm using paper and pen here) i end up with 215 or so nuyen left over. Note I did not buy any ammo for the simple reason that in my irl game we have a house rule that states regular ammo does not need to be expressly purchased. For those of you who don't use such a rule feel free to purchase regular ammo with that leftover cash :P Otherwise he gets a leather jacket for armor 2/2 (which is what he'd start off with in my game)

Other things of note - Yes I know he has no smartlinked weapons on hand. Cash was tight. Not to mention his primary designed purpose is the quad LMG's (one for each arm). He would have also had cybereyes if i had the money for it but alphaware is rather expensive. Skills might change slightly but in general they work. Some will also note I didn't buy up certain stats very much (mainly strength which i didn't spend a point on at all). This was because he got cyberarms. Not a whole lot of reason to purchase strength up when if he's punching someone he's using his augmented strength.

Comments and suggestions are wellcome (even from blakkie ;) ) as are explanations of choices and justifications if anyone requires any. :)

EDIT: Oh to note just realized it does make note that it should be smg sized or pistol sized to do multiple weapons so if i were to use him i might have to hose rule it for trolls and LMG's but we'll see. Anyways...

[mintcar]

Would you give an example of the numbers involved when you shoot someone to pieces with those four machine-guns? Are there even rules for firing 4 weapons at once? If not what are the house rules this character will be used with?

[Shadow_Prophet]

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Replace the System of the Arms with Pilot and Add a Targeting autosoft - let them shoot. :D

[jtmonkey]

Don't forget the really useful stuff like an internal air tank, smuggling compartment and sleep regulator. They aren't stat buffers, but they can be exceedingly useful as well as cool. The grapple gun is pretty good to, and gives that whole Batman vibe,

[Shadow_Prophet]

hrm interesting throughs, though only have 215 nuyen left over there ;) so they'd have to wait till he's out of chargen. But yes I looked all of those over just a matter of money :)

Edit: Another thought that crossed my mind is giving him flechete ammo and re-naming him Oct-Oct or 8.8 after the 8.8 Flack Gun the germans used in WWII.

[Nikoli]

Mild addiction Cigars is right out. Tobacco is listed as inappropriate for the addiction quality.

[Shadow_Prophet]

[Nikoli]

Just trying to squelch any unnecessary criticisms.

[Siege]

Hah!

I'm surprised nobody's tricked out a drone with that notion yet.

-Siege

[blakkie]

You can't SL the White Knight (at least that is how i read it's no upgrade description). However for about 1500 :nuyen: you can set him up with 4 belts of tracer ammo which on Full Burst is actually better than SL as it gives you +3. Not sure about whether or not tracer bonuses are invalid firing multiple weapons? If not, and if you could convince your GM to add the +3 to each weapon separately, that'd be damn nasty. :)

[Squinky]

I think that upgrade thing on the whiteknight is referring to further recoil comps.

[blakkie]

[Ravennus]

Interesting, Shadow Prophet.

A true 'concept' character.

Other than the house rules you have to use to actually play him, I'd think he'd be rather.....fun to have around, RP wise. :cyber:

-Ravennus

[nick012000]

[mintcar]

The mild addiction negative quality gives you a penalty equal to the addiction threshold of the drug if you´re without the substance for a week. Although I could clearly see that applying to cigarettes and caffein (you kiddin´me? a whole week without a cup of coffee and I´d be good for nothing), I think that they are not allowed simply because they are so widely available. There´s simply too many nicotin and caffein addicts in the world for it to be an issue getting your fix once a week, werever you are.

I might allow it as a moderate addiction that gives only 5 BP. You get the cravings once a day, but all you have to do is walk into the nearest shop to get what you need.

Withdrawal is described as something not very pretty, much worse than staying off of cigarettes. But at a addiction threshold of 1, all you get is -1 to all dice pools. That, to me, seems more like the severe headace i get from staying off of caffein than "appetite loss, cramps, cravings, delusions, depression, emotional instability, insomnia, irritability, nausea, shaking sweating, and worse". I think you could easily make the addiction rules work with lighter substances. You just have to make the addiction stronger for it to be concidered any kind of flaw.

[hobgoblin]

[Shadow_Prophet]

[Nikoli]

I imagine that if he wereto take a hostage, he'd be set to maintain a hold and fire a weapon while pointing one at the meatshield.

[Shadow_Prophet]

[Nikoli]

nononono, hold with 2. can you imagine how hard someone would be struggling when picked up by that monster?

[Shadow_Prophet]

[snowRaven]

I think I'm going to use this beast as an NPC in my campaign... :vegm:

[Shadow_Prophet]

[snowRaven]