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 Oct 3 2005, 06:49 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000  Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951  |
In the wake of the crash, forged SINs had the possibility to become the real thing.
Now in SR4, having a real SIN, however that happened, is a 5 BP negative Quality - and there is nothing that forbids having that Quality more than once. Let's assume that a character had five forged SINs (clean ones) becoming real in different nations - does this mean he has the SINer Quality five times? As those SINs hardly carry any unwanted data this seems... strange - as even forged SINs that are not deleted will accumulate as much. |
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Oct 3 2005, 08:30 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Reasonably, a real SIN is a negative quality because all of your personal information is tied to it. Having a real SIN means that The Man knows where you live, what you buy, how often you flush, and ect. If a SIN doesn't contain your actual data then it isn't a real SIN. If The Man unquestioningly accepts that I am #J7Y6689765, Herman Munster, at 1313 Mockingbird Lane, that doesn't mean that this is a real SIN. It is a fake SIN that will pass most, if not all, machine inspections. Metahumans with the 20th century Sitcoms knowledge skill may recognize that the identity is likely to be fake. |
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Oct 3 2005, 10:08 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
That's about how I would rule it:
No liability - no points. Even if that SIN is 'real' in the way that it will never blow - as we all know: The Man does not make mistakes. :grinbig: |
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Oct 3 2005, 02:15 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Good fake SINs are real SINs without real people attached.
SINner negative quality means there is a real SIN with a real person attached. I would not allow multiple SINner negative qualities based primarily on the fact that if someone has enough informaton to track down your real identity, they can eventually get to the database, corp or government, which will have the full match to your data. |
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Oct 3 2005, 02:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Brisbane, Australia Member No.: 78 |
A real SIN is linked to you, and through you, to your family, friends etc. It has your real fingerprints/DNA etc associated with it.
If Lonestar gets hold of a DNA sample from a run you did, they have something in the system to link it to. Even if it doesn't help catch you, it will help them throw away the key when they finally do catch you If someone less nice than a Lonestar beatcop finds out your real SIN, they have a potential doorway to the things and people you love, even if you left them behind years ago when you entered the shadows. A fake real SIN doesn't have any of those problems |
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Oct 3 2005, 03:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
Hmmm... since some qualities specifically state that they can be taken more than once, and some specifically state that they can't be taken more than once - where does that leave the rest?
(My interpretation is that no qualities can be taken more than once unless it's stated that they can (like Incompetence) - those who have special clarification that they can't are the ones that apply to a specific attribute or skill, to clarify that they can't be taken once for each skill/attribute) |
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Oct 3 2005, 03:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 404 Joined: 22-June 05 From: Canada eh! Member No.: 7,455 |
Well .. maybe you can have more than one SIN, but everytime you try and use one ... there is a check for fraud.... eventually you could land in Jail.... so sure, take more than one SIN.
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Oct 3 2005, 03:45 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
You can have multiple citizenship even in SR4 - it's just unusual. ;)
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Oct 3 2005, 03:49 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
When The Man stops to talk to you 'unusual', legal or not, can get you a room in the back complete with an overly affectionate man wearing latex gloves. :eek: |
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Oct 3 2005, 04:02 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Questionable. ;)
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Oct 3 2005, 08:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 2-October 05 Member No.: 7,799 |
Just because you have a SiN doesn't mean you still live where it says you do; you can just leave without posting a forwarding address. What the SiNner flaw does is allow authorities a chance to connect you with something, and provides a concrete link. For example, if a character leaves fingerprints or other identifiable remains behind at a scene, a corp or law enforcement now has evidence to link them to the scene of a crime. A false SiN is designed to get past a casual inspection, and be a throw away identity. Having a real one that you can't shake means you're much more likely to be caught, particularly if that identity is linked to your false ones.
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Oct 4 2005, 12:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 16-March 05 From: 51° 16' North 7° 11' East Member No.: 7,168 |
Is there anything that keeps me from modifying my real SIN? It shouldn't be a problem to hack my SIN and change my finger- and retinaprints. ( Provided I have a trustworthy hacker at hand. ) Of course I couldn't actually use the SIN anymore, but I could set my data back at my retirement.
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Oct 4 2005, 01:33 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 2-September 05 Member No.: 7,673 |
As a GM I'd give you 2 options if you elected to try that 1) Pay off the negative quality (double BP cost = Karma Cost) and you dump the SIN 2) Pay off the negative quality (double BP cost = Karma Cost) and you then can class the SIN as a useable "fake" SIN. The advantage with 2 is that the SIN is still active and so continues to gather social data (purchase history etc) and so will look less like a fake over time. Option 1 has the advantage of you now being zeroed although should you ever decide to resurect the SIN (by reversing the changes you made) I would make it very hard and not give a very good result (yes sir your ID checks out but we'd like to ask you a few questions about where you lived for the last 4 years and why you seem to not have done anything in that time period - where is your tax return type of stuff!) The only thing that prevents you doing the changes is the difficulty of actually getting it done (finding that trustworthy hacker, finding the nuyen to pay him/her/them, finding them afterward to kill them because they weren't as trustworthy as you thought etc). Modifying a SIN is harder than making a new "fake" SIN but infinitely more stable (the depth of information present in a real SIN is beyond all but the most dedicated hacker to replicate - it would take days/months to create the info and be as seemless as a real one) |
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Oct 4 2005, 03:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
You forgot option 3: Don't pay karma, and get stuck with the "Hunted" or "Wanted" flaws (Negative Qualities now) from the old SR companion. That's what happens when you don't take the time and energy to do it right, and try to just fake it with a few die rolls. |
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Oct 4 2005, 05:00 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
The trick there is to have the hacker who modifies your SIN put a a record of you purchasing a ticket on Oceanic flight 815 in the relevant databases. |
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