 A RL chemical for...number 2, This is a little weird and, makes me sad |
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 Oct 7 2005, 08:41 AM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734  |
Yep, and back in the group's hideout you can use the rest to call some unlucky soul "yellow".
*sigh* I've been watching wayyyy too much Firefly, methinks. |
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Oct 7 2005, 01:31 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Heretic, no such thing as too much Firefly, or more importantly no such thing as too much Jewel Saite or Summer Glau.
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Oct 7 2005, 01:39 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Frankly VR, without intentional designed precautions, should cause the user to drop a load due to loss of sphincter muscle control. Exactly how it is avoided with Astral Projection must be a matter of...the poop fairies holding it in? :wobble: Note: In SR4 VR isn't nessasarily complete muscle override. Infact there are rules given for modifying the sim module to turn off the protection that quiets you body's muscles (the rules give a warning, but it is left up to the GM what befalls the foolish PC that does it), and also rules for forcing your preception from the VR to the meat world why you are under (basically a huge perception penalty). So with that it is obvious that they are choosing some muscles to override and some to not. |
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Oct 7 2005, 04:33 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
Mythbusters tried extensively, and failed to duplicate it. |
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Oct 7 2005, 04:35 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i donno, i kinda beleive it, under the right conditions, i know being around enough bass on a filling bladder can do soem strange things to me... |
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Oct 7 2005, 05:34 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
we're not here to talk about your bass fetish, mister!
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Oct 7 2005, 06:25 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Umm, most people don't drop a load while they are sleeping, right? Or while they are unconscious or even in comas. You have to be dead, or have losses in specific areas to lose sphincter tone (i.e. compression of the nerve, loss of perfusion, etc.). All that simsense modules do is slap on an RAS override, which simply makes the body "locked in". It's similar to the so-called "Locked-in syndrome", which is what happens when a stroke takes out the Reticular Activating System in the brainstem. Anyway, there are a TON of chemicals that are used to make people pee. Just look up any of the IV diuretics out there. Lasix is a common one used in hospitals. |
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Oct 7 2005, 08:43 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
We're talkin about ejecting fluids from the OTHER side Hahnsoo....
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Oct 7 2005, 10:09 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
I've already weighed in on that on the previous page. My diuretic comments were in response to fisty's comments here:
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Oct 7 2005, 11:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 3-May 04 Member No.: 6,298 |
Mythbusters was actually my primary reference for that statment, Bearclaw :) . I like them for that sort of thing because you can actually see what they try and decide if it was reasonable. Anyways, there's no question that low frequency sound at sufficient volume can make you feel weird, and discomfort with a full bladder wouldn't be surprising, but that's a far cry from the immediate bowel evacuation that low frequency sound is sometimes claimed to have. |
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Oct 8 2005, 01:10 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
iirc it was investigated by the French police during the late 80's or early 90's and given up as a failure. Early field tests were reported to have some nasty side effects. Unfortunately I can't find any information on the net to support this belief; it's just something I remember reading about in a newspaper. Sorry. |
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Oct 8 2005, 04:38 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Thanks hahnsoo. Apprently you're good at finding stuff besides page references too! |
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Oct 10 2005, 04:01 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 9-October 04 Member No.: 6,738 |
My husband works for a PD (eeek! The Star!), and they actually had a miscreant (aka drunk college kid) shait himself last night. Based on the reactions of the officer, the jailers, and his cell mates, making someone shait themselves would lead to bad karma.
There'd be alot more people interested in fraggin the guy who made them do that. At least the excessively macho types who couldn't take the embarressment. And the Star wouldn't be to happy either, having to be around all those stinky people. The point of this is, having a brown squirter, or whatever it was called, would be a pretty identifying calling card, with no other purpose than to anger your victims/law enforcement. Sounds more college boy prankish than shadowrunner-ish |
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Oct 10 2005, 07:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
I can think of a very good use for the "Brown Squirts" chemical.
Consider this: A cancerand is a constructed protien pill that can remain inert within a human body for up to 1 year, and can be 'programmed' to dissolve in any specific time period you want, with a fair degree of accuracy (I don't think it was specified in the book, so I'd say 2d6 minutes after the designated time). It can contain a chemical that will be insulated from the host until such time as the cancerand disintigrates. So.. "I've injected you with a cancerand that, when it dissolves, will make you crap your pants rather violently. I've observed your schedule, so I know you have meetings with your bosses at the same times every day. Sometime within the next 3 weeks, you're going to have a very, very bad day, unless you do this for me, in which case, I'll tell you what day to call in sick. Don't take to long deciding, because it could go off tomorrow..." |
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Oct 10 2005, 11:55 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Wow, apparently. Remind me never to eat unripe pineapple. |
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Oct 10 2005, 08:56 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Well, if you're going to go that route, you wouldn't need Carcerands, as it is cheaper and easier to simply put detergent (or an irritant/stimulant of choice) into a small ampule injecting into the gut to get the same results. |
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Oct 11 2005, 01:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
How about some form of common liquid laxative (EX-LAX, HALEY'S M-O, or the 2060s equivalent) mixed with DMSO?
Spray it using an Ares Supersquirt (or a modified Splash grenade), and there he (or she) goes--literally. EDIT #1: On a similar note, Ipecac or Emetrol would have a similar effect, but in the other direction--the victim would likely be too incapacitated by severe vomiting (if he/she had eaten recently) or violent stomach cramps (if he/she had NOT eaten). EDIT #2: Point taken, hahnsoo. I hadn't considered that. In an issue of the 1970's-early 1980's action book series THE DEATH MERCHANT, the protagonist, "Richard Jordan Camellion," using what was essentially a primitive form of Splash grenade as a hopefully-not-TOO-loud antipersonnel weapon. I think they were American M-26A1 antipersonnel grenades, from which most of the explosive charge had been removed (the normal charge was, IIRC, 5.5 ounces of Composition C (an early form of Plastique)), and replaced by a glass sphere containing a mixture of DMSO and prussic acid (the liquid form of potassium cyanide). There wasn't much of a "Kaboom!", but anyone within the--now somewhat reduced, due to the smaller explosive charge--blast radius was coated in the poison mixture, and died shortly thereafter. At least, that's what the book implied. :P --Foreigner This post has been edited by Foreigner: Nov 4 2005, 04:55 PM |
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Oct 11 2005, 01:46 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 9-October 04 Member No.: 6,738 |
I agree that there may be a use for the chemical, but not for the mixing with DMSO. At least not for serious runners. It costs extra cred for no tangible reward. And it makes your jobs so identifiable. Now I admit go gangs might find it fun.
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Oct 11 2005, 02:05 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
That doesn't work, as I stated in my previous post. DMSO only works with injection vectored drugs, things that work when in the blood-stream. All laxatives are ingestion vectors or suppositories. |
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Oct 11 2005, 11:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
That wouldn't be the same results at all. So I've injected a small ampule of stuff into his gut that will make him crap. So he's going to take a major crap sometime within the next 12 hours, or he's going to pass it harmlessly within the next 12 hours. That doesn't help me if I want to threaten him with major crappage during a meeting with his boss three weeks from now, so he needs to do something for me now (that may take up to a week to execute) so that I will tell him when to take a sick day. The timescales are completely different, for different results. |
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Oct 11 2005, 07:46 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Why would you need DMSO? Just load the concentrated liquid pepper compund into splash grenades. Unless they're wearing chemical seals, the surface splash should be plenty effective. Use slip spray as the liquid medium for extra fun! Just make absolutely sur to wear heavy rubber gloves when preparing the charges. And a sealed facemask. -karma |
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Oct 11 2005, 08:36 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
You gotta cook em before you eat em.... freshwater fish carry all sorts of nasty stuff (self inflicted pun damage taken). |
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Oct 11 2005, 08:56 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Carcerands would not work in the way you described, because there are no blood-borne diarrhea agents available (and carcerands circulate in the blood). An ampule with a radio-transponder that leads into the gut is easy to implant, and you can directly control when the ampule gets released, giving you better results in a faster length of time. |
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Nov 4 2005, 01:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: 5-September 03 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Member No.: 5,585 |
Had to board the pun-train...
So, if you actually managed to find a "Super-sphincter-squirt" chemical compound, that DID work via blood absorbtion, could you also convert it into an aerosol/gas? If so, I claim naming rights. "Brown Ring 7" I can see it now.. Corp-researcher: "And here we're completing the final trials on some new compounds that should prove useful in the corporate-security field." Manager: "Oh, and they are?" Corp Researcher (Looking a little off balance): "Uhh...ahhh...well, it's based on the Green Ring series of incapacitator gasses." Manager: "Really, so, what's it do?" Corp Researcher: "If you'll look to your left..." <<Horrible, horrible noises> Manager (Looking pale): "Good god! That's inhuman! Corp Researcher: "Good thing we tested it on animals then." Manager: "It's dripping off of the ceiling" Corp-Researcher: "That happens a lot about here - you _did_ query our cleaning and sanitation expense reports..?" Manager: "But...ehewwwwwwww...." Corp-Researcher: "Precisely! We're calling it the Brown Ring series..." -Tir. |
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Nov 4 2005, 01:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 14-March 04 From: Illinois Member No.: 6,157 |
I was watching a show on the discovery channel about less than lethal crowd control devices and the military is researching using ultra low frequency sound waves to cause rioters to loose control of bodily functions. They had a prototype that made people crap, puke and pass out all at the same time.
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