....First off I'm no chem major, so does anybody know of a chemical that can cause fast loss of bowel control? A person in my group wanted to mix "A chemical that makes people $h!+ because laxatives probably wouldn't work" with DMSO, so he could have an..."Ares Hershey Squirter". GM said he could only do it if he found the name of a real chemical that would work, and as I'm the only one with immediate net access I got elected to ask if anyone knew of such a chemical that would mix with DMSO.

IIRC the active ingredient in a lot of laxatives is phenolthaline (spelling?). Yes that's the same stuff you used in high school to turn acids purple. In other words, you can get it in bulk.

No guarantees that the above information is accurate. I'm reaching way back into my memory here. But you might want to look it up.

Judging by the effects of lunch (Thai extra hot ginger beef), I'd say Thai cooking spices are plenty. But they probably don't work well with DMSO.

An internet search for "instant laxative" was...illuminating...but most results seemed to be either anecdotal ("Visine in any drink is an instant laxative,") impractical for injection (magnesium citrate and epsom salt drinks would probably be poisonous with DMSO, but is great for scaring off babysitters), or a discussion of various intestinal intolerances (e.g., lactose intolerance, the sensitivity of some people to wheat or caffeine, irritable bowel syndrome, etc.)

My inclination would be to say one of the following things...

1) 21st Century doctors have slap patch laxatives (easier on the stomach than traditional laxatives)
2) 21st Century police already have a similar product in their arsenal - nothing would shut down a raging crowd like instant load in the shorts.

...and just let the PC have the drug.

I'd also grant some people resistance based on recent diet and/or bathroom habits. Someone who is constipated is just going to take time to move their munitions into firing position, while if you're empty...you're empty.

Resistance checks to be made with Willpower, not Body.

or some concentrated concution of intestinal viruses should work as well.

however, the problem with ANYTHING like this, is getting it into the blood stream, i dont think, would suffice, this is something that would have to be digested, and there for, any instant affects would be unlikely...

The closest to an injectable would be a strong [near if not lethal] dose of muscle relaxants.

I actually did do some research on this. If memory serves, laxatives fall into two categories (or both):

1) Stool softeners. These cause your chairs and stools... No wait, sorry, wrong stools... It causes a chemical reaction or something so you don't absorb so much water in the large intestine/the stool is broken up/whatever. It generally takes quite a few hours to work, but is fairly gentle. This isn't what you want, unless you're trying to distract tortoises, but it'll probably be pretty easy to slip into coffee or something.

2) Stuff to make muscle contractions (don't know what the scientific name is). These cause the muscles to actively contract, forcing the stool through quicker. This is violent and reasonably fast moving. The problem is, it's generally a suppository. I would *ASSUME* if it were applied through DMSO, it would have the same effect on whatever muscles it came into contact with, although having it oral isn't unthinkable.

Anyone else seens the episode Parasite Lost from Futurama?

Yes, and i've never looked at egg salad sandwiches or vending machine sandwiches the same since.

I always wanted a bowel disruptor...

Rather than "Instant Laxative" search for "Drastic Purgative". There are quite a number of things listed for their purgative effect. I remember someone bringing up this idea before on these forums, and someone mentioned a compound that when ingested pretty much causes an instant purge of the bowels. Apparently they recommend a person be sitting on the toilet when they take it.
It led to the idea of the Crap Patch for the "executive on the go".

Phenolphthalein is no longer being used due to questionable carcinogenicity. If you look at drug store shelves nowadays, you'll see that the active ingredients are being replaced with senna. Both Phenolphthalein and senna are "stimulant/irritant" laxatives, meaning that they have to have direct contact with the bowel wall to achieve their laxative effect.

I can't think of a blood-borne compound that specifically targets the small/large intestine. I suppose that by 2050, some chemical company will have developed an IV laxative, probably based on a site-specific stimulator/relaxant (either would work). The main problem is the time of onset to get the desired effect for a typical shadowrun... there is a reason that the majority of the compounds listed in SR are nerve-related (Neurostun, Narcoject, Seven-7, Green Ring, etc.). A bowel-specific nerve agent might work.

Just to summarize, there are no current IV laxatives that I can think of. To create the effect that the player desires, it would probably have to be a nerve agent that is site-specific for bowel function. It's plausible, but not with any current laxative products (which are all oral or suppository).

I know theres those snack machines with the carousels, and they occasionally have those triangular packages of sandwiches, but...are there really the kind in truckstop bathrooms like in that episode?

Yes. There are sandwitch vending machines in thousands of restrooms worldwide because the smell just makes people hungry.


Yes, that was sarcasm. The food vending machine from Parasite Lost was modeled after a condom vending machine. There are plenty of those in truck stop restrooms for obvious reasons.

Yeah, I know that. I was just wondering if there were sandwich vending machines that looked like condom vending machines.

I don't believe so. Sandwitches are pretty much exclusive to carousel style vending machines.

Right on. You can never be too sure.

Ya think something like this might be do-able with simsense feed? Provide the brain with an over abundance of stimuli "You gotta, gotta gotta go right now!"..

And if you're talking SR4... you think spam mail is bad now? how'd that be for a pepto ad....

You know, DMSO + capsicum pepper extract could do all kinds of fun. That gnarly curry burn all over your body ...

But what your friend really wants is a subsonic projector. No really, the right _very low_ frequencies should do the trick.

I do know that there is a chemical that can make people pee. My wife used to work in the ICU as a 'health unit coordinator'. Basically a glorified (but well paid) go-fer. There was this chemical that she would have to get occasionally to get a patients system cleared out. Has them peeing in minutes. She's used it in runs before. I allowed it in a slap patch. I'll see if she can remember the name of it.

Yep, and back in the group's hideout you can use the rest to call some unlucky soul "yellow".

*sigh* I've been watching wayyyy too much Firefly, methinks.

Heretic, no such thing as too much Firefly, or more importantly no such thing as too much Jewel Saite or Summer Glau.

we're not here to talk about your bass fetish, mister!

We're talkin about ejecting fluids from the OTHER side Hahnsoo....

My husband works for a PD (eeek! The Star!), and they actually had a miscreant (aka drunk college kid) shait himself last night. Based on the reactions of the officer, the jailers, and his cell mates, making someone shait themselves would lead to bad karma.

There'd be alot more people interested in fraggin the guy who made them do that. At least the excessively macho types who couldn't take the embarressment. And the Star wouldn't be to happy either, having to be around all those stinky people.

The point of this is, having a brown squirter, or whatever it was called, would be a pretty identifying calling card, with no other purpose than to anger your victims/law enforcement. Sounds more college boy prankish than shadowrunner-ish

I can think of a very good use for the "Brown Squirts" chemical.

Consider this: A cancerand is a constructed protien pill that can remain inert within a human body for up to 1 year, and can be 'programmed' to dissolve in any specific time period you want, with a fair degree of accuracy (I don't think it was specified in the book, so I'd say 2d6 minutes after the designated time). It can contain a chemical that will be insulated from the host until such time as the cancerand disintigrates.

So..

"I've injected you with a cancerand that, when it dissolves, will make you crap your pants rather violently. I've observed your schedule, so I know you have meetings with your bosses at the same times every day. Sometime within the next 3 weeks, you're going to have a very, very bad day, unless you do this for me, in which case, I'll tell you what day to call in sick. Don't take to long deciding, because it could go off tomorrow..."

How about some form of common liquid laxative (EX-LAX, HALEY'S M-O, or the 2060s equivalent) mixed with DMSO?

Spray it using an Ares Supersquirt (or a modified Splash grenade), and there he (or she) goes--literally.

EDIT #1: On a similar note, Ipecac or Emetrol would have a similar effect, but in the other direction--the victim would likely be too incapacitated by severe vomiting (if he/she had eaten recently) or violent stomach cramps (if he/she had NOT eaten).

EDIT #2: Point taken, hahnsoo. I hadn't considered that.

In an issue of the 1970's-early 1980's action book series THE DEATH MERCHANT, the protagonist, "Richard Jordan Camellion," using what was essentially a primitive form of Splash grenade as a hopefully-not-TOO-loud antipersonnel weapon.

I think they were American M-26A1 antipersonnel grenades, from which most of the explosive charge had been removed (the normal charge was, IIRC, 5.5 ounces of Composition C (an early form of Plastique)), and replaced by a glass sphere containing a mixture of DMSO and prussic acid (the liquid form of potassium cyanide).

There wasn't much of a "Kaboom!", but anyone within the--now somewhat reduced, due to the smaller explosive charge--blast radius was coated in the poison mixture, and died shortly thereafter.

At least, that's what the book implied.

--Foreigner

I agree that there may be a use for the chemical, but not for the mixing with DMSO. At least not for serious runners. It costs extra cred for no tangible reward. And it makes your jobs so identifiable. Now I admit go gangs might find it fun.

Had to board the pun-train...


So, if you actually managed to find a "Super-sphincter-squirt" chemical compound, that DID work via blood absorbtion, could you also convert it into an aerosol/gas?

If so, I claim naming rights. "Brown Ring 7"

I can see it now..
Corp-researcher: "And here we're completing the final trials on some new compounds that should prove useful in the corporate-security field."
Manager: "Oh, and they are?"
Corp Researcher (Looking a little off balance): "Uhh...ahhh...well, it's based on the Green Ring series of incapacitator gasses."
Manager: "Really, so, what's it do?"
Corp Researcher: "If you'll look to your left..."
<<Horrible, horrible noises>
Manager (Looking pale): "Good god! That's inhuman!
Corp Researcher: "Good thing we tested it on animals then."
Manager: "It's dripping off of the ceiling"
Corp-Researcher: "That happens a lot about here - you _did_ query our cleaning and sanitation expense reports..?"
Manager: "But...ehewwwwwwww...."
Corp-Researcher: "Precisely! We're calling it the Brown Ring series..."


-Tir.

I was watching a show on the discovery channel about less than lethal crowd control devices and the military is researching using ultra low frequency sound waves to cause rioters to loose control of bodily functions. They had a prototype that made people crap, puke and pass out all at the same time.