shooting someone in hand to hand combat Options

[Shinobi Killfist]

There may be games I'm forgetting, but SR seems to be the only game that makes it easier to shoot someone who is in a hand to hand fight. Most games give a penalty to the shooter since he doesn't want to shoot his friend by accident. In SR hey the defender is distracted and gets a -3 die penalty to his opposed test to avoid being shot. Not sure what I think of this yet, but its different than I'm used to.

[Xenith]

Edit: Misread the post sorry. :)

Theres the whole if you glitch you hit the other person part. But yes, there probably should be a penalty to hit as well. Maybe apply a -2 penalty to the shooter, makes glitches slightly more common too.

[Nikoli]

Partial cover maybe?

[PlatonicPimp]

Oddly enough, it's even more fun if the shooter and the target are in melee together, as both receive a -3 penalty to their rolls. Sorta evens out there, except that since you defend against shots with only your reaction, so the shooter probably has twice the dice anyway. and if your reaction is only three, you'll need a Long shot test to dodge! but if you glitch to shoot them, do you hit yourself?

I like the partial cover option if you are shooting into a melee. it leads to more likely glitches, meaning more likely to hit the other person. Incidently, is that on a glitch or a critical glitch?

[Nikoli]

I'd say glitch wings the other guy if they are on your side, no real damage done. If both are enemies you miss barely, maybe imbed the round into something the target is wearing, again, no real damage.

Critical glitch and friend in the melee, you wound him as normal.
Critical glitch with both as enemies, you miss and torque both off and they come for you, too bad the gun is jammed.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[PlatonicPimp]

Yeha, well, that's one of those things I plan to use lgic on, since the rules don't provide any for me. You gatta admit, you could easily interprete the rules to create the stange situation I mentioned.

[RunnerPaul]

[Orient]

So is -.25 meters, AND you get an intimidation bonus. And a smelly gun, depending on...

[Clyde]

I suppose it's hard to use cover properly while you're in a fist fight.

Clearly, we need to release many devils rats and sic them on the guards we intend to shoot :)

[RunnerPaul]

[Jaid]

no. to equal the bag of rats, it would have to be a bag of *exploding* rats. so, first feed the rats some explosives (preferably a type that can detonate from sudden impacts, such as bullets). then you can do a proper bag of rats trick ;)

[Orient]

Clearly, the rats would need to be stuffed with explosives and a wireless proximity detonator. Your gun would be filled with AOD transmitters. Of course, it'd be a good idea to make sure the transmission range is pretty small, and that you don't activate them until *after* the rats are near the target...

Did you folks know that you could perform a Cleave maneuver with a monowhip back in 1st Edition? Bag O Rats would have worked well, back then.

[hyzmarca]

[Toptomcat]

He means inside the opponent.

[Orient]

[Jaid]

[PlatonicPimp]

Actually, it was just great cleave plus combat reflexes. When the rats moved out of your square, running away like a rat dropped out of a bag would, you get an attack of oppourtunity on it, which you then cleave off of to hit the opponent.

[Jaid]

that would net you only as many attacks as you have dex mod... WWA would let you make as many attacks as there are rats (well... barring the inevitable dreaded natural 1, that is)