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 Oct 19 2005, 06:21 PM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872  |
remington roomsweeper, 4 editions now and still no picture. The one gun i want a picture of and nope we have a picture of every other pistol but no roomsweeper for you. Curses!!!!
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Oct 19 2005, 07:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 286 Joined: 5-September 05 Member No.: 7,688 |
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Oct 19 2005, 07:57 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 |
It would certainly have to be magazine-fed to even somewhat be considered a "shotgun-pistol" and still have an 8-round capacity. When loaded with standard 2.75" shells, an 8-round shotgun tube will have to be at least 22" long, and all of that length is IN FRONT of the trigger.
I always pictured it as being something more like this, (second pic from the top) ...or this. (second to last pic) Of course, if you go with that design, you'd have to drastically the ammo capacity to be even remotely realistic. |
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Oct 19 2005, 08:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
I saw a drum-fed pistol grip shotgun at a gunshow Saturday. That held a dozen or so and the mag wasn't that big. I wouldn't say it was pistol sized though.
8 .410 shells stacked wouldn't be unreasonable for a pistol. |
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Oct 19 2005, 08:46 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 |
What you saw was probably a Striker, or a rip-off of one.
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/SH09-E.HTM Yeah...more SMG sized than pistol sized. A .410 shell has about a half-ounce of shot (~200 grains) which leaves the barrel at roughly 1200 fps, or much slower if fired from a small barrel. Considering the prevalence of body armor in SR, I'd much rather take my chances with something in 10mm Auto (200gr. @ 1200FPS, FMJ) or in .400 CORBON (200gr. @ 1250FPS, FMJ). You get more ammo in a smaller frame, and likely a more comfortable grip. |
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Oct 19 2005, 08:47 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The Elmore cover for SR1/SR2 is supposed to be a picture of Sally Tsung, Dodger and Ghost-Who's-Name-Is-Too-Damn-Long. When not wielding her 'Mage Sword', Sally uses a Roomsweeper pretty much exclusively, (Dodger uses a Sandler TMP, and G-W-N-I-T-D-L uses Uzis) so you could use that as a guide. ;)
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Oct 19 2005, 08:47 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
That's very close. The introductory fiction in the First Edition, "Night on the Town" featured a mage by the name of Sally Tsung, who was armed with a Roomsweeper. The Larry Elmore cover art that was used for First Edition and recycled for Second Edition, is a scene straight out of "Night on the Town". In other words, the shotgun the hot, half-naked woman is holding is the Remington Roomsweeper, at least in the opinion of one artist (and presumably the art director who approved the art to be used on the cover of the most important book in the game line, not once, but twice). |
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Oct 19 2005, 08:51 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Actually, they're Ingram Mk.22s. Nearly identical to the Uzi-III in the old editions, except they don't come with integral laser sight. Oh, and props for beating me to the post. I knew I shouldn't have taken time to get a link from Elmore's site. |
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Oct 19 2005, 09:15 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That's right! Shoulda known that, given my sig! :oops:
I'd have got the post up over an hour before, but my net access kicked off for a while. ;) |
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Oct 20 2005, 01:12 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 2-September 05 Member No.: 7,673 |
The only problem with that is that the 2 "pistol" styled shotguns shown are both pump action, 3-4 round shorties! not the semiautomatic 8 round shortie that the remmington roomsweeper is supposed to be!
I did some photoshop work on the High Standard HS-10 Shotgun to try and see if it looks plausible as a more pistol styled weapon. http://www.iinet.net.au/~saxom/hs10b-r.jpg and http://www.iinet.net.au/~saxom/hs10a-d.jpg it at least has 4-5 round believable capacity (and if you combine some of it's design with the Neostead shotgun which has 2 side by side magazines which would allow the 8 round capacity suggested. I like the MAG-7 as an alternative although it only has 5 rounds (but is a clip so could be extended) and it is also a pump gun! |
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Oct 20 2005, 01:32 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Virginia Beach Member No.: 7,807 |
For an ok image of the Roomsweeper check out the old Sega Genesis Shadowrun game, yeah it's dated and 16-bit but it gets the point across.
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Oct 20 2005, 12:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 600 Joined: 31-August 05 Member No.: 7,659 |
No, it wasn't the striker. It was a regular pump shotgun only instead of the shells being in a tube they were in a revolving cylinder. Looked like a PITA to load.
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Oct 20 2005, 02:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
In my games, This is the Remington Roomsweeper.
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Oct 20 2005, 06:47 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Not bad, exept for the fact that it only holds two rounds in its magazine and one in the chamber, and the Roomsweeper sports an 8 round magazine. |
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Oct 20 2005, 06:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
That is becuase the designers of SR live in a fantasy world where you can store 8 objects the size of your thumb inside a weapon you can still call a pistol My Roomsweeper does have a 2+1 capacity. 3 rounds is enough to "sweep" one room. Otherwise, it would be named "ROOMSsweeper" :) |
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Oct 20 2005, 11:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 11-September 05 Member No.: 7,729 |
As was suggested earlier, it's likely the roomsweeper just uses .410 shells - which are (more or less) 2.5-3" long, 10mm bullets. If the Predator can load 15 10mm shorties in the handgrip, putting 8 of them in a box magazine, similar in configuration to the one on the Mossburg CMDT, should be do-able w/o adding much more bulk to the weapon. This would go a long way towards explaining why the current incarnation has a similar damage profile to the Ares Predator when loading slugs or shot (fletchers), as opposed to normal shotgun-level damage like the earlier versions did. And taking that into consideration, spread is about all this thing has going for it.
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Oct 20 2005, 11:51 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
The desription of the roomsweeper says that it loads shot rounds....and uses heavy pistol ranges....could this be because it loads heavy pistol ammo? I think so.
As for the 15 rounds in a heavy pistol thingy, I owned a glock .40 cal (which is close to 10mm in a way) and It had 16 rounds in it with one in the chamber( Government/Law enforcement clips)... Since caseless ammo is the norm in SR4, you'd think you could fit even more in... |
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Oct 21 2005, 12:29 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, i have a feel that the pic is from the sega megadrive game :) |
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Oct 21 2005, 12:39 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 4-October 05 From: Secret Underground Space Station Laboratory In Space Member No.: 7,809 |
Evade realism by saying the Roomsweeper uses unique purpose-built shot rounds, like the Ares Viper Slivergun does for its flechette-without-bullet ammo. For slug rounds, just chamber heavy pistol ammo, like Squinky suggested.
Not likely to appease firearms enthusiasts, but works for fobbing-off. :grinbig: |
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Oct 21 2005, 12:47 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
I thought the idea behind the Roomsweeper was that you could load nearly anything for the shot? Nails, glass, gravel, your Mom's spoon collection. Sort of a modern black-sheep incarnation of a muzzleloader. As such it would certainly have custom rounds, ones with the primer and propellant but no slug.
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Oct 21 2005, 12:54 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 4-October 05 From: Secret Underground Space Station Laboratory In Space Member No.: 7,809 |
No, that was the Streetsweeper. It was a full size shotgun that was basically a pipe with a firing mechanism attached. You loaded black powder cubes in, crammed whatever you could find into the muzzle and BOOMSK.
It was cheap and easily buildable, but not very good due to reload times. Roomsweeper is a pistol shotgun (not the kind of shotgun that shoots pistols, mind :P ). |
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Oct 21 2005, 01:00 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Ah, ok. :oops:
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Oct 21 2005, 01:11 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
spoon collection? what plastic and silver included?
hell, just shoot and ill pay the medic with whatever he picks out of my body :P |
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Oct 21 2005, 01:26 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 4-October 05 From: Secret Underground Space Station Laboratory In Space Member No.: 7,809 |
Oooh, or you could build a modified Streetsweeper into a cyberarm and load it with old-style coin-currency!
GiTS:SAC anyone? |
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Oct 21 2005, 01:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
Exactly. If you want a real shot pistol, you'll have to hit the old Shadowrun Magazines (It's been so many years, I've forgotten the name). There was an excellent weapon in there -- the Ares Dragoon. Two barrels, three shots per barrel, essentially a sawn-off shotgun designed to be used as a pistol. One of my old characters used to carry that strapped to his hip. About as concealable as a submachine gun, unlike the sneaky roomsweeper. But no ganger wants to argue with the business end of THAT! Did shotgun damage, with less power. 'Course, that character was also a pacifist, and had it loaded with those shotgun-only gel rounds. Came in handy when it got stolen by a fellow runner who tried to use it to set off a home-made gasoline bomb -- rubber bullets, no sparks*. It was such a weird situation we laughed for quite a while over that one. * Most bullets won't spark anyway -- lead melts and deforms long before it sparks, movie effects to the contrary. Copper too, for copper-jacketed rounds. perhaps steel-jacketed, or DU shells, are different, but I haven't been out shooting tin cans with DU, so I can't really say. But for game effects, well, hard to deny a good spark-fest, even if real life physics disagrees. |
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