 Plastic flechettes, Possible? How? |
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 Oct 26 2005, 02:40 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Manila, Philippines Member No.: 7,351  |
I don't have my books right now but I know Cannon companioin mentions something about plastic ammo which are undetectable by MAD systems. My question is can you get flechette versions of those? I'm thinking of designing a heavy pistol that uses flechette ammo and is undetectable by MAD including ammunition.
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Oct 26 2005, 03:06 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
If you can make plastic bullets that actually work in standard calibers, I see no particular reason why you wouldn't be able to make flechettes.
Especially since SR flechettes can just be buckshot. And if you decide they're tiny fin-stabilized darts, there's no reason they can't be something other than metal. |
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Oct 26 2005, 04:47 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Strictly speaking the buckshot just uses the flechette rules, they're not quite silly enough to claim that they are flechettes. That said, it seems to make sense.
~J |
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Oct 26 2005, 05:11 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 22-October 05 Member No.: 7,880 |
In 2nd edition wasn't that what the Ares Slivergun used? For some reason I keep thinking the ammo was a special block of plastic that the weapon shredded and spewed out.
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Oct 26 2005, 06:14 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
There is obviously no God.
Arethusa, make it stop. |
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Oct 26 2005, 06:18 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
It took you this long? :grinbig: |
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Oct 26 2005, 06:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
The weapon you are talking about is a needler. It is not a weapon from Shadowrun, but from Battletech. |
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Oct 26 2005, 06:33 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Manila, Philippines Member No.: 7,351 |
deleted my post
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Oct 26 2005, 06:34 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Well, yes. Your mama is very persuasive. :spin: |
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Oct 26 2005, 06:47 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I just do not know where to start. I think I am going to start with whimpering.
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Oct 26 2005, 07:02 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Do you see what you people have done? There's no fight left in him!
What a world. |
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Oct 26 2005, 07:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 28-August 05 Member No.: 7,631 |
As far as SR rules go, the Cannon Companion has one kind of "plastic" ammo that's undetectable to MAD sensors, the Hi-C ammo composed of densiplast. (Edit: Wouldn't ceramic have been a better choice, or is that too easily fragmented?) To my knowledge it is not available in flechette form. The book says that it requires an extra-large propellant charge to reach lethal power, resulting in double recoil modifiers.
The issue of the viability of plastic flechettes in real life, I'll leave to those better informed than myself. I'm guessing no. On an only-vaguely-related note, is there any truth to the rumor I once heard of Germans using wooden bullets for target practice when lead was in tight supply? It sounded kinda fishy to me. Wouldn't there be a problem with wooden projectiles splintering under the force? I beseech the firearm oracles for their wisdom. :) |
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Oct 26 2005, 07:38 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 22-October 05 Member No.: 7,880 |
That's right. It's been about a decade for me and it seems I'm having problems keeping my FASA straight. That explains why for some reason I keep thinking our team was riding towards the arcology in a warhammer.... |
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Oct 26 2005, 07:43 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 22-October 05 Member No.: 7,880 |
I think it was just wooden cores used as opposed to aluminum for target shoots. Actual wooden rounds were similiar to blanks, used for training or to help with the weapon feed if I recall. |
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Oct 26 2005, 01:24 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
The real question is, of course, can I get my plastic flechettes dikoted?
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Oct 26 2005, 02:08 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
It seems to me, as a super-gun expert, that for MAD proof flechette, wood or glass is probably the way to go.
(Dodges bullets) (See? If they were using wood or glass bullets, their attack would have been a lot more successful! (from my point of view)) |
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Oct 26 2005, 02:32 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Why not? By the rules of SR3 gun creation in CC, it can, so go on ahead.
Never mistake SR for RL, people. If you do, well... you saw what happened to Arethusa and Raygun. |
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Oct 26 2005, 02:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 332 Joined: 19-September 05 From: Nashville, Tn Member No.: 7,761 |
there are plenty of super high-density plastics out there to day that one could make flechette rounds with. you could even use high quality glass. only problem with glass is that it would be hart on a metal barrel, so you'd have to use a plastic one.
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Oct 26 2005, 09:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
Or just do what they do in real life -- jacket the round with a softer material and let the harder core do the talking.
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Oct 27 2005, 03:24 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Dude, I just laughed my ass off. *picks ass back up* Thanks. I needed that after my day. :D |
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Oct 27 2005, 05:26 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
;) ;) *nudge nudge* Say no more. :D
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Oct 28 2005, 02:04 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Manila, Philippines Member No.: 7,351 |
Ok so i guess most would say its possible to get MAD proofed flechettes(plastic or whatnot). So what stats/rules would you guys suggest inorder to build/purchase such ammo?
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