 SR vocab is mainstream?, DREK! |
 Oct 28 2005, 03:37 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands  Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364  |
I was just watching family guy, and heard brian use the word "Drek"
... anyone else got any places Shadowrun dialect and vocab has been used? |
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Oct 28 2005, 03:45 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah, because the Shadowrun creators just managed to make up that word all by themselves.
And he says "dreck," not drek (at least, that's how it's spelled on the DVD). The word's been around a lot longer than SR. |
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Oct 28 2005, 11:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 523 Joined: 13-March 05 Member No.: 7,155 |
Dictionary.com definition of "Dreck"
Enjoy everyone. Until I see sit-coms chucking around chummer or frag I won't consider it mainstreamed. "Null persp." is a favorite expression of mine, but just as SL James said, the creators of the game did not come up with this stuff. It's mostly part of the cyberpunk genre that influenced them. |
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Oct 28 2005, 12:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
I've seen friends use Shadowrun lingo for the purpose it was originally designed for- in other words, as a bowlderization to keep from getting in trouble for using its more-obscene counterpart.
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Oct 28 2005, 12:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Georgia Member No.: 7,270 |
I've never liked shadowrun profanity. It's nothing but childish euphemism. I mean, I can understand that you don't want to put a whole lot of profanity so as to lose readership, I would never in a million years see my players say "fragging drek" while its counterpart is hollered quite frequently.
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Oct 28 2005, 12:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
Some works, some doesn't- with 'drek' being the most satisfying to say (German curses feel like curses), and 'hoop' making me feel perhaps the most silly.
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Oct 28 2005, 12:35 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
My PCs have shot other PCs for using SR slang before. Yes, really.
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Oct 28 2005, 12:46 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Hmmm, my wife doesn't let me say frag or drek or trog in front of the kids....
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Oct 28 2005, 01:17 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I'm with Sicarius. It is complete crap. Firefly slang, on the other hand... Also, dreck really isn't a German swear. Sheisse, if you're going to swear in German, do it right. |
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Oct 28 2005, 03:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 389 |
Arethusa brings up a good point--when the Firefly characters curse, it sounds dirty. When a Shadowrun character says "I'll have your hoop for a hat" I just giggle. I don't think I've ever used "official" SR slang in-game, but my characters use modern curse words quite often, one in fact had the (Cursing) specialization of Spanish.
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Oct 28 2005, 03:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Hence teh reason that the SR4 book does away with the slang. Still, I'll always miss Frag. Frag isn't just a replacement for fuck, it had such a different connotation. For instance, when something goes wrong, you could be both fragged of fucked, but you there is a world fo difference between going home to fuck your joytoy, or going home to FRAG her.
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Oct 28 2005, 04:47 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Ummm, :shock: I hope you called the cops. :biggrin: Platonic is right, though. Frag has worked it's way into my vocabulary. He's right about the connotative differences, and I use both Frag and Fuck frequently. Drek for shit? Sometimes, not often. Usually only when I want to cuss in polite company. Hoop? Hat? Get the fuck outta here, fragger. I'm not saying something that stupid. Slitch? Don't make me laugh, bitch. 0.02 :nuyen: |
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Oct 28 2005, 05:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Austin, TX CAS Member No.: 1,097 |
They use "frag" a lot on Battlestar Gallactica as well (example: Frag this.). There have also been numerous FPS games that use the term Frag.
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Oct 28 2005, 05:11 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Uhm, the fuck replacement on BSG is frack, not frag. Which remarkably manages to work most of the time— far more a credit to the cast and directors than the writers.
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Oct 28 2005, 05:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 28-August 05 Member No.: 7,631 |
The word "frag" as a slang term for killing/destroying something has been around a long time. I remember hearing it in Platoon. I'm guessing it comes from the use of "frag" as an abbreviation of "fragmentation grenade".
On the subject of replacement words for "fuck" used on television, here's a few that come to mind off the top of my head: Battlestar Galactica: "Frack." Farscape: "Frell." (This show had a complete set of alien swear words, in addition to whatever English swear words were allowed on basic cable.) Firefly: "Rut." As in, "No ruttin' way." |
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Oct 28 2005, 05:33 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
I work in the oilpatch. Using "frag" would....be odd, and bring social complications with it.
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Oct 28 2005, 05:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Slitch always struck me as an even worse word that bitch, given the root of the term. ( A reference to female genitalia)
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Oct 28 2005, 06:06 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Frag does come fragmentation grenade, and during the Vietnam war, was often a specific reference to using one to kill your commanding officer and yourself with one. Alternatively, it's just blowing someone up, and now thanks to games, just killing someone (especially in really bad movies like Basic).
Frell was always ridiculously stupid. To rut is an actual word. Like much of Firefly's slang, it's derived from 19th century frontier slang. Rutting is fucking. Slitch is actually the only bit of SR slang I could ever tolerate. Combining slit and bitch has a certain credible vulgarity that the rest of it manifestly lacks. |
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Oct 28 2005, 06:11 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Which is why I always thought it was funny that it was used in place of the , IHMO, much less vulgar bitch.
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Oct 28 2005, 07:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
I don't remember it having any connotations of letting yourself get taken down too - just of killing the CO. Was in the US Army for a few years, and can say that it is still commonly used there. |
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Oct 28 2005, 08:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
As most of the SR games I've been involved in took place in the AGS I never bothered with the English slang (and most people I know consider it pretty odd how Americans try at all cost to avoid common expressions in books or TV everybody uses in normal talk).
But I have noticed during the last years that SR players can sometimes be identified by using "Hoi" as a greeting. |
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Oct 28 2005, 08:48 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Well, that's reassuring. |
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Oct 28 2005, 08:52 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
It's sort of a crude, in-the-field implementation of 360 performance reviews. ;) |
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Oct 28 2005, 08:55 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah, they had a good laugh over it. Critias is more tolerant than I am. When gaming, I don't talk to players whose PCs use that nonsensical baby-talk. Ever. I'm sure as hell not going to waste a bullet on their PC. |
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Oct 28 2005, 09:16 PM
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Actually, I believe that "Frag" is coming more from the video game community, mostly. In First-person Shooters, a "frag" is a kill, because you blow someone into tiny chunks. When used to describing killing someone, without the connotation of friendly fire that Vietnam gave it, it's probably based on the FPS term. |
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