military application of silly string? |
military application of silly string? |
Nov 10 2005, 05:42 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Interesting, just read this and thought y'all might take a look at this. The military use of silly string.
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Nov 10 2005, 05:58 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
now thats a nice way of using something that on paper looks like something compleatly useless.
kinda reminds me of using dust or similar to spot lasers :P |
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Nov 10 2005, 06:07 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
I'm just wondering how sensitive tripwires are usually.
Yeah, for lasers, it can be dust but you're better off with some sort of aerosol device that's all conveniently housed in a can. Easy to transport/use. |
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Nov 10 2005, 06:17 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
thanks, all i could think of at the moment of typing was say a dry sponge from a classroom or similar :P
as for sensitivty. they cant be so sensitive that the weight of the wire itself triggers the detonation. im guessing that most are similar to the old grenade in a can type trap that the vietnam war is known for :P ie, you have to apply atleast some force before things go boom. |
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Nov 10 2005, 06:27 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
While that may be the case for some of the inhouse fighting, that does not hold true for IEDs and the like, which are far, far more sophisticated. I am really not clear how he was using silly string to help with those.
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Nov 10 2005, 06:55 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Looks like he is talking just about tripwires or other physical tripping hazard stuff like open holes.
It wouldn't help for things fully concealed below surfaces like landmines, linked landmines, covered pitfalls, and stuff like that. |
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Nov 10 2005, 07:07 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Aye, all it's good for is tripwires. Still, better to at least figure out there's no tripwires at least and then work on the other things like landmines, etc...
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Nov 10 2005, 07:48 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
He specifically mentions IEDs, though, which do not use tripwires.
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Nov 10 2005, 07:51 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Improvised Explosive Devices are, by definition, improvised. There is no standard formula for them. If material to make and incorporate a tripwire detonator is available then the bombmaker could very well make an IED with a tripwire detonator. |
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Nov 10 2005, 07:51 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Are all IED's done by radio/cell phones? I thought the definition of IED is improvised explosive device. That can be anything. Anyway, it looks like he meant booby traps for room clearing and just used the term IED instead.
If you really want to go technical on the word definition, IED is used by the press a lot for roadside bombs. Boobytrapped rooms are a different matter and using a tripwire and other means is logical for boobytrapping because they can't always be there to trigger the device since it's likely in some room that's out of view during urban search/fighting. |
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Nov 10 2005, 08:05 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 6-October 05 Member No.: 7,818 |
I believe the primary difference between an IED and a "boobytrap" is that the DoD and media got tired of getting flak for saying "booby" on TV.
That being said, runners should be careful leaving a trail of sillystring-like material in at a run site. Even something akin to stealth rope (stealth silly string?) would leave a residue in an indoors environment. |
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Nov 10 2005, 08:20 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Depends on the run. If you're doing some big urban warfare thing where you have to clear rooms, I don't think it really matters if you leave a residue. Not all runners are stealth and leave no trace people. Some are bang-bang mercs.
I know, I know, I enjoy the stealth runners too. But, you have to consider that there are 'different strokes for different folks'... ;) |
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Nov 10 2005, 08:21 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It all depends on what your run is about. Unless you're doing a datasteal you're going to be leaving traces anyway, and unless said datasteal consists of "bring in your own camera, don't touch anything, take tons of pictures" you're probably going to leave traces for that too. After that, worrying about silly-string residue is pointless unless you've overused it to the point of being identifying.
~J |
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Nov 10 2005, 08:28 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
A boobytrap may or may not be explosive but is always designed to be set off by the target's own actions. An Improvised Explosive Device is always explosive and may or may not be set off by the target's own actions. Thus some booby traps are IEDs and some IEDs are boobytraps. But, not all IEDs are boobytraps and not all boobytraps are IUDs. I found a little something on one type of tripwire based IED that you may find useful for a run.
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Nov 10 2005, 08:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Hell, with the silly string and such, leave the residue behind making it look like someone had a party. That might throw off the security/intelligence officers for a very short while. :D |
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Nov 10 2005, 08:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
@hyzmarca ya, that's linking. You don't nessasarily have to use AP mines at the other end. You could use just a wad of explosive material, or even a spare large munnition/ordinance (like an unexploded aerial bomb). You may not have wanted it to be triggered anyway when it is walked on, instead having the lead man (or some minesweeper tool) set off the initiating explosive and the guy following behind take a direct hit too.
The wad of explosive is also nasty in that it has no metal parts, so it's harder to detect. |
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Nov 10 2005, 09:32 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
Leela liked to carry a bottle of de-frizzing mist with her. Lasers would show up pretty well when she used it, and since she was a redhead with "naturally curly hair" it was also practical to have with her at all times. She sure would have liked the Silly String idea though. |
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Nov 10 2005, 09:41 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That's just what they want you to believe! ;) :D |
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Nov 10 2005, 10:41 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I will avenge our sperm brothers and sisters who were so brutally cut down by those inhumane death traps. :D |
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Nov 10 2005, 11:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 30-September 04 Member No.: 6,715 |
I just think that it gives new meaning to the term 'safe sex'. |
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Nov 11 2005, 03:50 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Woman killed by rocket launcher, experts mystified?
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Nov 11 2005, 03:14 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
Moving this into the 2060s, you think this technique would work well against monowire trips??
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Nov 11 2005, 04:46 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No.
~J |
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Nov 11 2005, 06:12 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 25-October 05 Member No.: 7,892 |
Well... maybe if you look for where the string is cut where it lays on the ground. (I'm pretty sure just gravity will provide enough force to cut through silly string) |
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Nov 11 2005, 06:19 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
It depends upon how sticky the string is relative to its mass. If your string is light enough, and sticky enough, it will hang in a continuous rope right over the monowire.
Of course, something that light is going to take a while to fall down to the point where monowire traps could be identified, but if you've got the time it could help save a leg. -Frank |
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