 Just how heavy are Shadowrun's Heavy Pistols?, Ares Predator? Et al? |
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 Nov 14 2005, 06:41 AM
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Horror  Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445  |
Okay, so me and a friend got into a 'heated discussion' (read: blazing row) over this.
What, exactly, is the caliber of Shadowrun's guns? My friend insists that the Predator is a 10mm, I don't know where he got that figure. But it's the perrinial heavy pistol in Shadowrun, and 10mm just is not that impressive. I think that's roughly .39? I always figured that the Ares Predator was a big, heavy, LOUD thunderstick, like the Desert Eagle .50 AE. Only engineered with 100% less suck, and about 50% more BLAM. So what is it? The Ruger Super Warhawk is only 1 power code above the Pred. It's confusing, I figured that the Super Warhawk was like Magnum Research's "Biggest, Finest Revolover," which fires a full-on rifle round. |
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Nov 14 2005, 06:45 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Ye gods - there have been nigh-endless debates over that question.
-Siege |
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Nov 14 2005, 06:47 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
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Nov 14 2005, 06:54 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
I guess there's nobody at FanPro or WizKids or whoever who can just say "The Predator? Yeah, it's like .48 magnum or something like that. Pretty close to a 2060s idea of a Desert Eagle."
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Nov 14 2005, 06:56 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
There is a 10mm version of the Predator IV, certainly. That's the caliber that's stamped on the side of the display model.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6960/pr...edatoriv9xe.jpg I'd imagine that a pistol damage code covers a range of calibers. 9M includes 10mm. I'd imagine that 10M is more like the .50 AE or the .454 Casull. Also notice that the predator has a huge barrel. Longer barrel = higher muzzle velocity. |
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Nov 14 2005, 07:24 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I fucking hate you all. Especially you, ShadowDragon8685, but all of you too, but especially you, ShadowDragon8685.
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Nov 14 2005, 07:56 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Sometimes I think that Underground had something going for it, with it's 20mm and 30mm 'handguns'. It avoided all these stupid arguments.
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Nov 14 2005, 08:55 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Wow... Where... Did that picture come from, Hyz?
And Arethusa? I love you too, baby. Call me! |
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Nov 14 2005, 09:45 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
But did it say what was the projectile weight and muzzle velocity of those guns?
Out of the 13 caliber choices available for the BFR, 5 were designed for rifles (and one for a shotgun). With common loadings, the ones designed for handguns are actually more powerful, topping out with the .500 S&W. |
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Nov 14 2005, 10:51 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
o.0
Ow. Why not just put your wrist under a jackhammer? |
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Nov 14 2005, 11:43 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Hahahahahahah. Most of them would go "guns? eww!" if you asked them, I'm certain. |
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Nov 14 2005, 11:52 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Raygun would know.
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Nov 14 2005, 02:57 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Good god... .50 colt? I have landed FISH smaller then that.
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Nov 14 2005, 03:46 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
At least they learned their lessons and get rid of weight for gear in SR4. ;) |
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Nov 14 2005, 04:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Given real life experience, I would think heavy pistols range from 10mm to .50 AE. The popular would probably .40 and .45 caliber.
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Nov 14 2005, 04:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Yea, because we all know in real life you don't have to worry about the weight of the gear you're carrying. ;) |
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Nov 14 2005, 06:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Now there's a game. I love Underground's gear books. As I recall, 25mm hit a nice sweet spot when it came to designing pistols. Almost usable by high end norms, controllable accuracy penalty, and a nice range. |
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Nov 14 2005, 07:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Not that we never worried about it, we just never bothered to track it in absolute terms. It's pretty easy to look at someone's character sheet and decide if they're encumbered or not. Lots of gear and no harness? Going for the awkward and heavy look, huh? Reduce your running multiplier, blah blah blah. We always winged it with crap like that. |
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Nov 14 2005, 07:07 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Personally, I admire a game line that has the strength to admit that "We've gone through 16 years and two companies, and we haven't been able to get gear weights right yet; at this point we should just stop trying, and leave it up to the individual GMs." |
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Nov 14 2005, 07:12 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
No, it's because their gear weights were absolutely ridiculous. In many cases, the listed weights are over twice that of the listed equipments real-world equivalent. |
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Nov 14 2005, 09:22 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I disagree with admiration for that line of reasoning, but considering that I've never seen nor heard of an RPG weight system that doesn't suck I suppose I can't fault them for it. ~J |
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Nov 15 2005, 03:41 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
I have never seen a gear weight list thats right. So honestly, removing then weight and just the GM saying "Yeah, those 3 assult cannons are way to much for your pasty white decker ass."
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Nov 15 2005, 04:26 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Just because you have a triggerless DNI dosen't mean you can be careless with your firearm. First, it won't fire unless your hand is on it, and it is drawn (IE: Not in contact with a holster.) Secondly, having a wireless DNI does not excuse you from firearms safety; in this case, do not point the weapon at anything you do not intend with deliberate thought to shoot.
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Nov 15 2005, 05:14 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I'm thinking this post belongs in the Guns thread. ;) |
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Nov 15 2005, 07:35 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Errr, yup. I totally cross-posted that bizzitch. Shows what happens when you have two windows open to different Dumpshock threads. |
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