 HMHVV and Vampires |
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 Nov 24 2005, 03:54 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623  |
With the new rules for essence drain all metatypes of vampire will now be able to boost stats. making Goblins and the Dooz some what nastier than before. Am playing with the idea of giving vampires immunity to normal weapons because of the way they nerfed (my opinion only) the regeneration power. I think it is some what justifiable as vampire pawns get the ability.
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Nov 24 2005, 05:14 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
I really like the new regeneration power. I'm not thrilled with the new Attribute Boost. It can give a critter +6 Magic (and usually will), but a vampire no longer has super strength. It's not so much that it's weaker (+6 Magic Attribute is crazy-go-nuts), but that vampires no longer have the thematic ability of having the strength of 20 men.
One of the coolest Vampire encounters I ever ran involved a vampire knocking over a frickin dump truck to escape a nasty situation. And that was completely justifiable back when vampires could potentially have strengths substantially higher than an elephant's. I am deeply saddened by the loss of vampiric super-strength. As is, noone is even going to boost strength when you could just boost Magic or Agility instead. -Frank |
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Nov 24 2005, 07:25 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
You can still use the old rule. (I will personally will do so if my players ever encounter a vampire)
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Nov 24 2005, 05:18 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
A GM might. ;) He might even just mentally cut out the sentence "Only one attribute may be boosted at any time." Or he might boost Magic and then cast Increase Strength. Though sustaining that for total Strength above 6 ends up with either the -2 die penalty or putting wiz, non-canon focus into play. A possible option around that is Quickening, though normally NPCs aren't assigned karma that isn't out of line. Presto, potentially greater Str than a fully augmented Troll (Force 18 = only 7 boxes Physical drain)** as long as they prepare ahead and roll incredibly well on an Edge augmented Spellcasting check. Then all the vampire has to worry about is walking around as an shimmering astral beacon/ward bulldozer because he'd need a stupid number of Grades to hide that spell aura. :) P.S. To get the full benefit of +6 to Magic they would then have to immediately turn around and drain somebody again to bring their essense back up. A vampire doing this regularly is going to leave quite the trail of corpses. :dead: ** EDIT: Of course this involves saying pooh-pooh to them having a normal metahuman attribute cap. But their cap isn't given. *shrug* |
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Nov 24 2005, 10:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
Believe I will go with the "old" listing of powers for vampires as vampires without enhanced attributes is just silly. Yes, I now the new essence drain does allow for increasing of attributes but only one at a time seriously decreases the power of what used to be a serious bad guy. I guess this ties back into Fanpro's stated idea of drcreaseing the power level, shrug.
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Nov 24 2005, 11:29 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Maybe they'll turn the tables and make the [rarer] Nosferatu the all around badass vampire variant? Death to the idea that smart means physically weak! :P Nosferatu did also have the Enhanced Physical Attributes too, but it was for limited use (while the Vampire was unlimited i guess, since it was given the power with no stipulations). Nosferatu also had that coolio temporary drain power. I wonder if they'll keep that and how that will interact with the boosting (since the gain from temp drain use to be gone in less than a minute). That would give more stratification in the vampire line. All around i think the change would be mostly neutral (once the Nosferatu stats come out), and a good thing from the POV of the vampire as PCs set. The PC-as-a-Vampire could be something in the midling PC power range. But still keep the top end NPC threat separate. Not that it ever really appealed to me to play a vampire. Partially because vampires are usually way offscale to be a PC unless the system was built around it (Whitewolf) or you are starting out the character in a high-end game (and i rarely play that). But also i personally probably have tended to keep them at arm's length mentally because they are the one horror thing that really got to me as a kid. When i was 13 or so i saw only portions of Salem's Lot on TV. My mom tried to warn my Dad not to let me watch. :rotfl: It really bothered me for maybe a year. I lived on a farm with a very large yard filled with lots of tree rows and narrow passage ways to go through at night to get around. Even now vampires still represent in my dreams something that is draining me of my focus or energy. |
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Nov 24 2005, 11:54 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Nosferatu were also oddball in other ways. Were they the ones that were intended to be played as PCs? Their description said they "begin as characters", which isn't in the Vampire description. They also lost essense at a slower, random rate.
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Nov 25 2005, 04:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
That's interesting. At least half my friends have told me that when I was in their dreams, it was as a Vampire. Now... if only I can get into Blakkie's dreams and scare him witless... I too, miss the super-strong vampires of previous editions. Though I *am* even more terrified of the super magic vampires in this edition; it's a totally different flavor. |
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Nov 25 2005, 06:07 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
:rotfl: Dreams are basically conversations with yourself, and therefore quite personalized. Don't let that Chinese fellow Jung fool you, symbols aren't always as universal as you might think and even a largely universal general symbol can represent many widely different things in different instances and such. For example, in the case of your friends the common ones for vampires run from along the lines of drain, to nobility, to sex appeal, to death. For example in my dreams one of my brothers shows up if i'm doing something foolishly dangerous, because, well that's the kind of thing i associate with him. :) Another example is a particularly difficult computer program bug i found in a dream, after spending about 3 long days at work trying to find it, came entirely in the metaphor of a mechanical breakdown on a harvester combine. I located and fixed the problem code within about 20 minutes of sitting down at the computer after the dream. It was so startlingly accurate that i only took that long because i hadn't realized to what level of detail the dream went to. Why a combine? Likely because over the years i have in totally serious jest said "If you can fix a combine, you can fix anything." Whatever the reason for the vampire there is likely a strong concensus among your friends about a very prominent aspect about you (EDIT: or even something somehow linked to you, LARP much? ;) ). It might have even been something someone said/says that others have heard that built the association. My online impression of you leads me to doubt it's about dragging people down. :) |
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Dec 1 2005, 09:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
New question on vampires. Why are ghouls listed as duel nature and vampires are not when they both come from the same virus?
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Dec 1 2005, 09:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Austin, TX CAS Member No.: 1,097 |
Because, its technically not the same virus. They are affected by different strains of HMHVV.
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Dec 2 2005, 02:52 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 28-October 05 Member No.: 7,901 |
Completely off-topic but, Carl Gustav Jung was Swiss, not Chinese. |
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Dec 2 2005, 07:52 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Sorry, sort of an inside joke. Didn't really belong here, i just get a little chuckle every time i think of him that way. :grinbig: EDIT: Incidentally part of the humour for me is that Carl Jung enjoyed and studied Chinese intellectual culture at a time when Europeons largely either looked down upon it [from a distance] or just flat out ignored it. But then some things are unique in striking me as funny. |
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Dec 3 2005, 03:31 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 28-October 05 Member No.: 7,901 |
That's cool. He did have somewhat odd interests for his time. |
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