[RL]SMAW-NE, Thermobaric "Novel Explosive" |
[RL]SMAW-NE, Thermobaric "Novel Explosive" |
Nov 15 2005, 08:20 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
There's a new thermobaric warhead for the USMC's Shoulder-Launched Multi-Purpose Assault Weapon. They're calling it a "Novel Explosive" and that's almost an understatement.
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Nov 15 2005, 08:35 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
oooh, that's a purdy new weapon.
I want to see what this does to al-Queda hidey holes where the over-pressure cannot expand out because there's a mountain of dirt and rock in the way. |
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Nov 15 2005, 08:39 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Yeah, being killed by overpressure and/or burns is so much worse than being killed by the same plus fragments.
They do if you fire them at civilians, you moron. For fuck's sake, this is like saying all ordnance with high explosive warheads heavier than 10kg invariably lead to civilian deaths. Other than that... Good for the US military, finally catching up on thermobaric goodness. Only 17 years after TBG-7V, too. :P
Well, because of the limitations of the firing platform, this is hardly an effective weapon to go cave-busting with. Might I suggest using BLU-118/Bs instead? This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Nov 15 2005, 08:42 PM |
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Nov 15 2005, 10:01 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Pointy sticks invariably lead to civilian deaths.
~J |
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Nov 15 2005, 10:55 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
In a particularly brutal manner, I might add. The USMC has not been forthcoming about their use and deployment of pointy sticks in Iraq. I think an investigation is necessary. |
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Nov 15 2005, 11:12 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Of course, the pointy-stick issue is just a smokescreen to direct attention away from the use of Boards with nails in them.
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Nov 15 2005, 11:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
But is it a White Phosphorous smokescreen?
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Nov 15 2005, 11:35 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
The Geneva Convention restricts the use of Class III .50 caliber sticks on human targets.
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Nov 16 2005, 12:11 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Entropy invariably lead to civilian deaths. The Geneva Convention should be amended to outlaw entropy along with other deadly time-based weapons.
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Nov 16 2005, 01:01 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 93 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 975 |
Which is why you aim for the Helmet! Its military equipment. The Eggman |
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Nov 16 2005, 02:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 6,789 |
So is the uniform, canteen, and backpack..... :D
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Nov 16 2005, 06:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
The reason why many people see problems with the use of thermobaric weapons is, that it is nearly impossible for civilians to protect themselves against these weapons. Cover is practically useless.
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Nov 16 2005, 06:43 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
There is very little such thing as 'cover' when you're firing any sort of military round. There is only concealment - which is good. You want to stay out of the way of the combatants, so they don't mistake you for hostiles.
Really, is it any worse than a tactical airstrike? |
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Nov 16 2005, 06:49 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yes. Greater chance of leaving two stones atop one another.
~J |
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Nov 16 2005, 09:43 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
I meant in terms of "civilian casualties," not "damage done," you bloodthirsty one-man mongol hordge.
:P |
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Nov 16 2005, 02:18 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
A weapon like this is all the more reason for the civilian population not to harbor combatants, legal and otherwise. If someone invades their home, they should flee, find the nearest US soldier, surrender and explain the situation.
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Nov 16 2005, 02:25 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
As opposed to....? Find me weapons that civilians can very easily protect themselves from, and I'll find you a useless piece of crap. Because it's not like there's some super-secret "civilian training school" somewhere that teaches super bullet-proof manuevers to non-soldiers. If a civilian can "very easily protect themselves" from a weapon, so can an enemy combatant; when everyone can magically be wholly safe from whatever you're shooting at them, you're left with a fucking paperweight. |
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Nov 16 2005, 03:31 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
/sigged. Hey, its gotta be better then the deep earth penetrating nuke. |
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Nov 16 2005, 03:43 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Just make everyone in the war wear exploding laser tag vests. No civilian casualties because no civilians will be wearing exploding laser tag vests. |
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Nov 16 2005, 09:55 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
Oh, BTW, if anyone's having trouble with the link, it's due to the fact that fark.com got ahold of it, and the traffic skyrocketed. In short the link is farked (fark.com's version of the slashdot effect).
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Nov 16 2005, 10:05 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Wonder how small you could make one of these thermobaric thingamajigs before the size/damage tradeoff meant you were better off with a regular grenade or other regular munition?
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Nov 16 2005, 10:21 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I'm guessing somewhere around the bigger autocannon rounds -- between ~200 and ~500 grams / 25mm - 40mm -- since I can't recall any attempts at making thermobaric warheads smaller than that.
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Nov 17 2005, 12:12 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Bloody hell...we've got all sorts of new runner toys today.
-Siege |
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Nov 17 2005, 01:06 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
So these 'thermobaric' weapons essentially seem like a fancy way of saying Fuel-Air explosive. Am I right in that?
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Nov 17 2005, 03:36 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 70 Joined: 8-November 05 From: Kwaj, RMI Member No.: 7,935 |
Yup...but 'thermobaric' just sounds so scientific & non-threatening for the PC people who might want to kill such a nice weapon (because it might hurt someone :please: ).
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