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> Next time you need to shoot off a padlock..., Don't try it with a handgun.
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post Dec 1 2005, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (tisoz @ Nov 27 2005, 10:46 PM)
I wonder if any of the locks from the old Masterlock commercials failed?

tisoz:

I don't THINK they did--at least, not during the commercials. :)

Of course, "stronger than a .44 Magnum" or "stronger than a .30-'06" doesn't really mean much--even though the lock took the abuse, you'd have to cut the shackle to get the lock off.

My Dad had this to say whenever he saw one of their commercials:

Announcer: "See? It *didn't* open...."

My Dad: "Yeah...and it'll *NEVER OPEN AGAIN*...at least, not without help from a cutting torch."

:rotfl:

(For that matter, a pair of bolt cutters or a hacksaw with a tungsten-carbide or Dikoted blade might also work.)

Hmm... I wonder: Would near-simultaneous application of extremely high/ temperatures work?

Say, liquid nitrogen, followed by a blowtorch?

(Or the magical equivalent: a tightly-focused spell applying sub-zero cold, followed immediately thereafter by a spell applying intense heat? Or vice- versa?)


--Foreigner

They weren't using military ball .30-06, were they? Because I'm quite sure that WOULD go through just such a lock, and depending on where it hit, probably snap it.
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post Dec 1 2005, 04:37 PM
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They weren't using military ball .30-06, were they? Because I'm quite sure that WOULD go through just such a lock, and depending on where it hit, probably snap it.

The Box o' Truth guy shot his locks with an AR-15 and a AK-47, and in both cases, they blew a neat hole through the lock, but didn't blow it apart.

There's no reason to think .30-06 would do anything different - the fact the shotgun did the trick seems to indicate that blasting a lock apart is more dependent on projectile diameter and mass than on KE.
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post Dec 1 2005, 05:17 PM
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Hmmmmmmp... Perhaps. I wonder what would happen if you shot to the side, hitting the latch's piece inside the lock?
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post Dec 1 2005, 05:24 PM
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The Box o' Truth guy shot his locks with an AR-15 and a AK-47, and in both cases, they blew a neat hole through the lock, but didn't blow it apart.

With the 7.62x51mm Ball he blow the bottom half of the lock off. Had he fired at a different spot on the lock, it would've failed.

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the fact the shotgun did the trick seems to indicate that blasting a lock apart is more dependent on projectile diameter and mass than on KE.

In this particular case, projectile diameter was the reason why the shotgun performed so much better. All of the long arms penetrated the lock, the shotgun simply did so over such a large area that the whole lock blew to pieces. Firing the lock at a different angle or at a different spot, any of the rifles could have been used to break the lock open.
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post Dec 1 2005, 06:11 PM
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One important thing to note, however, just because the lock doesn't blow to pieces doesn't mean it's not now open to easy tampering. I wonder how many of those locks could now be simply unlocked by reaching in and withdrawing the bolt inside. (There are a bunch of mechanisms inside, remember, and generally the locking bolt can be moved back and forth even if the keyhole will never function again.)
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post Dec 1 2005, 06:50 PM
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With the 7.62x51mm Ball he blow the bottom half of the lock off. Had he fired at a different spot on the lock, it would've failed.

Oops. Forgot that one. Still, I'd like a higher sample size. ;)
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post Dec 1 2005, 10:03 PM
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One important thing to note, however, just because the lock doesn't blow to pieces doesn't mean it's not now open to easy tampering.  I wonder how many of those locks could now be simply unlocked by reaching in and withdrawing the bolt inside.  (There are a bunch of mechanisms inside, remember, and generally the locking bolt can be moved back and forth even if the keyhole will never function again.)

Precisely...

And the team wondered why my character Margo Grande spent 5 BPs on mechanical lock picking skill. and a 1,500 :nuyen: on a primo lockpick set.

Picking a lock is also a lot quieter than shooting one off.
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post Dec 2 2005, 02:18 AM
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But is it as satisfying?
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post Dec 2 2005, 03:19 AM
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Not that easy. Unless you go to extraordinary lengths to max the STR, you'll end up at about 19-20, which means the best you can do is ~26M (Ranger-X, EX-Ex arrowheads) and that barely penetrates a light APC (which could be attributed to a 2kg HEAT arrow with a 50mm diameter warhead, if you have a habit of trying to justify the unjustifiable).

Dikote them. And use combat drugs. That'll penetrate damn near anything short of an MBT.
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post Dec 2 2005, 03:34 AM
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But is it as satisfying?

When you don't alert any guards or neighbours (who might call LS), I would say, Yes.
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post Dec 2 2005, 03:37 AM
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Dikote them. And use combat drugs. That'll penetrate damn near anything short of an MBT.

remove context, activate dirty mind, start to wonder what them is :silly:
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post Dec 2 2005, 04:30 AM
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Speaking of Dikote, why not just Dikote a pair of bolt cutters and augment your strength a little
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post Dec 2 2005, 04:34 AM
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Dikoted bolt-cutters. Aren't those antivehicular weapons, depending on the size of the cutters?
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post Dec 2 2005, 05:00 AM
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Dikoted bolt-cutters. Aren't those antivehicular weapons, depending on the size of the cutters?

They could be. I'd imagine a Troll version of Scissor Man wielding giant dikoted bolt cutters could cause quite a bit of damage.
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post Dec 2 2005, 01:08 PM
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Dikoted bolt-cutters. Aren't those antivehicular weapons, depending on the size of the cutters?

Give me a big enough pair of dikoted bolt cutters and a big enough base to put them on and I can cut through planets.
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post Dec 2 2005, 01:44 PM
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Dikote them. And use combat drugs. That'll penetrate damn near anything short of an MBT.

Dikoting doesn't (neccessarily) help with EX-Ex arrowheads, and it's only +1 Power anyway. +STR combat drugs are nice if you can use them without killing yourself in short order -- you can get a few more points of Power that way. If you can get a total of +6 Power from somewhere over the setup I mentioned above then you can penetrate all the light armored vehicles in Rigger 3, but you'll still be 50 points of Power away from penetrating an MBT.

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Dikoted bolt-cutters. Aren't those antivehicular weapons, depending on the size of the cutters?

Forget about boltcutters, just mount cyberspurs on maxed Mechanical Arms on a high-Body vehicle.
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post Dec 2 2005, 03:48 PM
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Max strength troll (Adept optional), Ranger X bow with SL2 attachment + dikoted arrows(or some other power enhancement you can think up), Called Shot AND insane power. This is only if your GM is allowing the FAQ interpretation of Called Shot to Bypass Armour.

Otherwise the only canon bypass armor rule is the one for chemical deliver systems and that bypass Impact armor at a body location, so YMMV.
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post Dec 2 2005, 09:36 PM
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I'll stick with the lockpick kit. Simple, elegant, inexpensive, fairly reliable and above all, a lot more stealthy.

With most runners who are B&E experts opting for Electronics/Electronics B&R over the more traditional skill, I could see why places might resort back to mechanical locks. Makes that expensive Passkey or Sequencer pretty useless.

Mechanical locks are also available in various grades, from simple to very complex & challenging.
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