When two PCs have it out for each other..., or "The joys of the vindictive flaw" Options

[Solstice]

Maybe I read you wrong. I wouldn't shoot you or anyone I was just playin.

[blakkie]

To be clear:

Someone threatens you and when you still don't do what they demand they don't carry through on the threat. Killing someone for that already is at the upper end, if not beyond the Vindictive flaw. You are trying to play the character as even more vindictive than that? The solution seems pretty clear to me, and it doesn't involve your PC cacking the other PC and hoping the other player gets over it. :wobble:

[FrostyNSO]

We had something like that come up...character resolved it by pissing in the offending character's coffee later down the road.

Come to think of it, it's come up twice: The second time a third guy stepped in between the two to break it up and ended up getting his head blown off...if only I could find that thread now.

[Solstice]

No I think it will be suffcient for me to hire someone to Narc him then drop him off in Redmond preferably near Glow City.

[FrostyNSO]

Plant some cocaine on him and then rat him out...that'd be hilarious.

[Solstice]

lol, actually I could rat him out for alot of other things. He has about 12 lbs of C12 at his flat.

[FrostyNSO]

Well it depends on how you use it. I would probably get him busted for the cocaine and then make sure some people he cares about (wife, kids, girlfriend, contacts) find out about his "drug problem".

[Dawnshadow]

Knock him out (with anything you want), and dump him on the edge of town with nothing but his pants. Make sure he's aware that it was his only warning-- and next time, you're tossing him off a boat with cement shoes, or in glow city, or ghoultown, or the Ancient's territory with anti-elf slogans tattooed on his chest and face...

[pragma]

I Strongly recommend that you speak with the offending player and the GM before you do this. If the new player knows he pointed a gun at a twitchy, vindictive character he may chock it up to a mistake and even enjoy going out. If he doesn't he could feel like he's being picked on and quit.

Warning the new kid like this could lead to said new kid trying to metagame his way out of it -- but I trust Solstice is sharp enough to find some method of putting a hole in his head. Everyone needs a rigger now and then.

[Backgammon]

Hmm, actually this reminds me of the time we had a "liability" shadowrunner with us... he was prone to talking too much to the wrong people and such. So we had our mage totally mind-wipe anything that could incriminate us, then tied him in a car, cast control action on him and made him drive into a police station. And I mean into.

We were kinda loose on rules and stuff there, but it was in good fun and everyone had a good laugh, the PC who got killed off included. I think that's ok.

[Dog]

Vindictive doesn't always mean violent.

If you do discuss it with the player, discuss it cooperatively. "Wow, crazy move! Gonna be wicked to RP the fallout from that one." Or some such drek. Make it clear that there will be some sort of rivalry or whatever between the characters, but not necessarily the players.
The scene you described could've happened in any buddy cop movie. If you want your character to be vindictive, play it creatively. Use it like the role-playing opportunity it's supposed to be.

One of my favourite RP scenes occured when my orc merc hijacked a truck full of poison gas and threatened to drive it into the Aztech compound because they "disappeard" his S/O. My buddy's elf samurai snuck in and held him at gunpoint in a tense standoff. Years later, they were still ribbing each other over who would've won that.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Your orc was an idiot.

You use a VCR to drive the suicide truck! DUH!

[Dog]

I don't know whether to point out that my orc was not a rigger, or that a VCR is not an RC deck. :P

But you're right, he was an idiot. A gruff lovable idiot with a shotgun in his cyberleg.

[Edward]

The vindictive flaw is clear, you owe him a cumupins. However it need not be fatal or even involve physical harm.

Edward

[mmu1]

[nick012000]

As for all the people who have noted that the responce of the Vindictive flaw is proportional to the offense:

It's so good to know that your stereotypical office bitch has the Vindictive flaw. ;)

[tisoz]

[Drace]

To get back at him for holding the gun at you, you could also get an unloaded handgun, and thenext time he's prone, go up to him, and hold the gun to the side of his head, and pull the trigger, and after, tell them that next time it will be loaded.

If anyone knows what movie this is from, they get a cookie.

[mmu1]

[Sicarius]

Mock Executions are always good for teaching lessons.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Or you can tell the DM you get a clip of blanks (if you can get any where you are,) go into full SGL mode, walk up to him and draw on him, roll out the dice, and have the DM describe the horrific wound he would have had, had the gun been loaded with lead.

[Critias]

And then get shot. Because, well, that's what happens when you wave a gun at someone and pull the trigger -- by the time they realize they aren't dead, they've likely already reflexively responded to the gun being pointed at them, the sound, the flash, etc, etc; responded by drawing and firing.

[mmu1]

[MaxHunter]

I believe the soap was called "Double Jeopardy" or something like that. (I'm old enough)

Back in the thread I would recommend a player-to player friendly conversation to keep clear that the Vindictive asshole is your character, not yourself.

After that you could do whatever you want. I do prefer non-deadly (and funny) forms of revenge. But be careful, in my experience, sometimes it is dangerous to leave somebody alive after he/she has been horribly humilliated (spelling?).

Cheers.

Max

[Drace]

Actually I was refering to Blow, when the main character is backstabbed by his best friend, but it is in Die Hard II, so you get an oatmeal raison cookie, check your mail soon.

And for the blanks, there was also the actor Brandon Lee, from the Crow (original). While refilming part of movie, one of the other actors pointed the gun to close to his head, with the result being a section of his temple caving in.