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stevebugge
post Dec 16 2005, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (stevebugge @ Dec 16 2005, 10:42 AM)
RANDOM THOUGHT: Short Monowhip disguised as a cufflink, any takers?

What do you mean short? The whole two meters of monofilament can be wound up in a very small volume, just make sure the cufflink system includes both a winding mechanism and a small lead weight.


For the actual design I was thinking that you would use a gold ball style pin, the gold ball would serve as the weight (gold is about the same ddensity as lead) and then have housing and winding mechanism that was largely flat (and to the greatest degree possible non metallic) and could be hidden inside ones sleeve, and used as a handle when deployed. Your right a 2 meter spool of monowire would be very large at all, so no need to shorten it up. Ok you are definitly going to destroy your shirt cuffs when you deploy this but hey that's a small price to pay to get a monowhip in to a secure area.
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post Dec 16 2005, 05:10 PM
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just uh, be carefull with that thing. that has the possibility of going real bad real fast if you get some bad rolls.

/GM: your wrist falls off.
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post Dec 16 2005, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE (Fix-it)
just uh, be carefull with that thing. that has the possibility of going real bad real fast if you get some bad rolls.

/GM: your wrist falls off.

No no, blood spurts from your wrist in a fine high pressure circular mist for several seconds. Then, when the spurting stops, your hand and wrist slowly slide off of your arm as gravity pulls them down.
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post Dec 16 2005, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca)
QUOTE (Fix-it @ Dec 16 2005, 12:10 PM)
just uh, be carefull with that thing. that has the possibility of going real bad real fast if you get some bad rolls.

/GM: your wrist falls off.

No no, blood spurts from your wrist in a fine high pressure circular mist for several seconds. Then, when the spurting stops, your hand and wrist slowly slide off of your arm as gravity pulls them down.

As a player I don't think I'd use it, as a GM it may appear to either A tempt players or B cause mayhem and or hillarity when it appears in the hands (or up the sleeves) of an NPC
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post Dec 16 2005, 05:42 PM
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All I can say about any monowhip weapon focus is that you are using them against spirits and spirits often have the accident power. This is ill advisable.

When you damage someone astrally you are assualting their 'soul' or 'ideal' What makes them who they are. You are not ripping holes in them or displacing astral 'matter'. Therefor the physical form is still not important.
A ward still has effects (squishing unpleasantly and such) but that is because a ward has the 'idea' of immovable object, stopping you from progressing. It is another way of attacking an astral form, by pressing them against an immovable object.

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post Dec 16 2005, 06:00 PM
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All I can say about any monowhip weapon focus is that you are using them against spirits and spirits often have the accident power. This is ill advisable.

When you damage someone astrally you are assualting their 'soul' or 'ideal' What makes them who they are. You are not ripping holes in them or displacing astral 'matter'. Therefor the physical form is still not important.
A ward still has effects (squishing unpleasantly and such) but that is because a ward has the 'idea' of immovable object, stopping you from progressing. It is another way of attacking an astral form, by pressing them against an immovable object.

Actually my monowhip idea was not intended to be a weapon focus, that was a random tangent I caused when I saw the words cuff links and deadly weapon in the same sentence. I agree Accident Power + Monowhip = Trouble

As for the Ideal part of your explanation, that reminds me a lot of Plato's Allegory of The Cave ( http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm for those not well versed in classical studies, a quick summary ) In fact much of Astral behavior seems to be based on Plato's Theory of Forms (or maybe Plato's Theory of Forms is based on Astral Space, hmmm... runs to recover classical works brewing in my mind)
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post Dec 17 2005, 09:43 PM
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Interesting points. There is the astral sword spell (check the SR ring) as potential option in the proposed possibility of a nonweapon weapon focus? frightening implications there for debate.

To add to my own question, I find the arguments made against an increased damage or advantage valid...until applied to the actual dynamics of dual natured creature interaction.
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The gargoyle receives its hardened armour, the troll it's high strength and reach and the increased damage code of critter attacks across the board. Which are of course derived from their physical weaponry and strength while in combat with astral beings. Which flys in the face of a otherwise valid proposition. Why therefore not for foci?
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Here we met the dilemma that attracted my attention and mirth. A hair line fracture between the to interlacing styles of astral interaction.
Hence my questions, which I hope prove interesting topics for discussion, to broaden and receive imaginative possibilities. :notworthy:
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