 Lead Hose, How would you handle it |
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 Dec 16 2005, 11:55 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030  |
As a GM I at least try to persuade my players to be carefull, planning, and at least a little crazy. I don't like characters who are played as nothing more then bullit sponge hack and slashers.
One thing that's come to my attention is a Phenomenon known as "Cook-Off", when temperature in the chamber has risen to such a point that each and every round that enters the chamber fires off by itself without any coaxing from the firing pin. I.E. Joe has burned two clips through his trusty rifle, and inserts his third, jacks the slide, and sights up on a vid camera in control room, pulls trigger, round fires off but temp in chamber rises those few degrees to start Cook-Off, Joe is now spraying the entire control room with Lead, seriously upsetting the Decker/Hacker, and scaring the wits out of his mage. So I'm wondering how you folks, as GM's would handle Cook-Off. How could player in question recieve warning if it's about to happen? At what point would it happen? What all happens when it happens? Side Note: what's happening Chummers, I've missed y'all, blew knee out at work so have oppurtunity to spend quality time on rump. |
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Dec 17 2005, 12:00 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
I've blown through *lots* of ammo with various AR's (often with tracers too) and never experienced it. Consequently, in the game world, we don't even think about it.
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Dec 17 2005, 12:06 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
I think it requires much higher RoF than Shadowrun (at least 3rd edition) supports.
7 actions * 18 bullets / 3 seconds = much less than safe RoF limits on modern weaponry. |
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Dec 17 2005, 01:53 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i saw it happen once, with an M-249. the guy decided he was too cool to change his barrel in between drums, and halfway through the fourth drum, his weapon wouldn't stop firing. luckily it was at a range, and his sergeant just broke the ammo belt.
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Dec 17 2005, 02:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752 |
I don't know but it brings up the question how fast can a automatic weapon in SR fire, you can't say 10 per round when somone with reflexes can shoot 20, 30, 40, 50.
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Dec 17 2005, 02:41 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
It'd take a hell of a lot more than two mags to cook off.
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Dec 17 2005, 03:22 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
In WW2 the german MG42 tended to come wth spare barrels and asbestos pads that the crews would change out regularly. in Saving Private Ryan they even plan for that, the fight when the medic dies. Modern guns are not going to be anything like that vulnerable. The real way to keep players from running amok with a lead stream is simple. "Hey Rambo, how much ammo are you carrying?"
If we were to go through 3 mags in a single room we'd be way low on our ammo.usually, unless we know it's a battlefield run (we do some work in CFS against imperial forces) , we carry maybe 4 loads for each gun. |
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Dec 17 2005, 03:51 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the M-249 does come with spare barrels that you're supposed to change regularly. i believe there are other modern weapons that work the same way, though i can't recall them off the top of my head.
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Dec 17 2005, 08:38 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
My GPMG came with a spare barrel, but I have never gotten ammo cook-off even after my barrel began to glow and that's like after 750 rounds.
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Dec 17 2005, 09:27 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
Wouldn't you need to worry about the heat warping your barrel and throwing off your aim if it starts visibly glowing from the heat?
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Dec 17 2005, 09:39 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Most GPMGs and many LMGs and HMGs. Changing a red hot HMG barrel can be an interesting excercise. |
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Dec 17 2005, 09:57 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Precision is not generally what one turns to a machinegun for. |
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Dec 17 2005, 10:36 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
Yeah, but you tend to want to be able to hit something, and if all of your bullets are hitting the ground 10 feet in front of you because your barrel's warped... |
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Dec 17 2005, 10:50 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
If you have fired so many rounds as to warp your barrel and are still firing, you are already dead.
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Dec 17 2005, 11:42 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
And if you're fighting the Liberian Army?
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Dec 17 2005, 11:58 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
As humorous as those pictures are, probably the worst part about every one is that nobody is utilizing proper cover!
Hell, I know some professional sons-of-bitches who've been known to use the flamboyant sideways-rifle "Glock Foh-Tay"....only thing is, most of their body was behind good cover when they did it :grinbig: |
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Dec 17 2005, 12:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
never thought about this situation ever happening in my game, thanks for the idea.
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Dec 17 2005, 12:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
Absolutley amazing. |
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Dec 17 2005, 01:34 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
OMFG... WTF are those guys doing? Man, I think I'd laugh myself to death if those jokers were shooting at me.
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Dec 17 2005, 04:01 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
That's why the germans regulalry changed out barrells, even in the middle of a fight. |
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Dec 17 2005, 04:19 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
You do that while I take cover, just in case... |
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Dec 17 2005, 04:32 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Flashbacks to City of God…
~J |
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Dec 18 2005, 06:59 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Shooting in a crazy stance is okay, if it's purpose is to keep as much of you behind cover as possible while laying down some lead.
Quick question, why did the guy's magazine spring blow? Is it because the whole magazine was shitty, or did he fuck it up with the duct tape? |
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Dec 18 2005, 07:48 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
May have just banged it too hard (i.e. landed on it) when he jumped prone. Chances are it was overloaded to begin with, which certainly wouldn't help things.
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Dec 18 2005, 12:50 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Consistent abuse and overloading probably would have caused it to blow like that.
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