So where'd you get your degree from?, Doctors' credentials-crayon diplomas ok? Options

[nezumi]

I'm running a game and one of the PCs wants to be a cybersurgeon. I remember reading stats for a doc in one of the SR books, but I can't remember which. That's sort of invalidated by the fact that I'm sure I lost the book anyway.

I DO recollect that he had biotech(surgery) 8(10) or something like, cyberware b/r at 6, and had knowledge skills in physiology, biology, pharmaceuticals and some other things. Does anyone have minimum stats, equipment and cyber for a reasonable doc (illegal or otherwise)? What about for a street clinic doc?

Thanks for the help. I'll probably put whatever is posted together and put it on the SR wiki so I don't have to ask when I forget where I posted this question in a few years.

[Tanka]

From SR2:

Street Doc
Biological Sciences: 6
Biotech: 8
Etiquette (Street): 3
Negotiation: 4

From Sprawl Sites:

Paramedic
Biotech: 5
Car: 3
Cybertechnology: 1
Firearms: 2
Unarmed Combat: 2

That's all I can find right off the bat.

[stevebugge]

I always sort of figured it went something like:

1) I took a First Aid Class at the Community Center
2) I got the First Aid Merit Badge in Sprawl Scouts, maybe have a basic certification.
3) I have enough training to work as a Lifguard or Schoolyard Supervisor
4) RN / EMT Level Training (Probably minimum for a Street Doc, but you'd have to be desparate to go there)
5) Nurse Practicioner or Doctor begininning Residency
6) Experienced, skilled doctor.
7) Highly experienced, very skilled doctor at a top clinic.
8) Leader in the medical field
9) Famous, published Research Doctor near the top of his or her field.

For SR/4 Multiply by 2/3 for ratings, combine 1&2 and 3&4 descriptions

[nezumi]

A 6 in a skill equals a doctorate? 9 years of dedicated training? Not in my game. Does that mean someone with a 6 in electronics has a PhD in electrical engineering (and that that level of skill is what's required to do the things those people do?)

I've found it a bit more reasonable that a 6 is about equal to a bachelor's degree in those technical areas, just because otherwise every shadowrunner ever has a PhD equivalent, which seems a bit of a stretch.

[Tanka]

[Kagetenshi]

From SRComp:

Paramedic:

Biotech 5
Car 3
Etiquette 2 (Street 3)
Pistols 2
Unarmed Combat 2
Stealth 3

Knowledge:

Biology 3
Cybertechnology 2
Magic Background 2
Medicine 6

Street Doc:

Biotech 7 (Cybertechnology Implantation 8, Surgery 8)
Etiquette 2 (Street 3, Medical 3)
Negotiation 4
Computer 2 (Cybernetics 5) (Note that this is illegal by canon.)

Knowledge:

Biology 6
Cybertechnology 8
Drugs 6
Medicine 6

~J

[nezumi]

Thank you! That looks pretty complete. So anything else a legit doc would have that a streetdoc wouldn't? Hospital administration?

[Kagetenshi]

Drop Negotiation and Street Etiquette, increase Medical Etiquette, add things like hospital administration, medical ethics, and possibly triage, then replace Biotech(Cybertech implantation) with the relevant specialty. It's possible that they might have slightly lower general Biotech with higher specialties—less call for jacks-of-all-trades in the legit field.

~J

[Method]

I believe there was a Cybersurgeon NPC in MrJLBB with more specialized skills.

I am without my books or I would post.

[stevebugge]

[nezumi]

[stevebugge]

Actually depending on how you apply the complementry skill mechanics some or all of those knowledge skills could actually provide more dice than a higher skill rating. Just a simple example would be a Doc with a Biotech 8 using skill only uses 8 dice for an implant test. Using complentary skills a Doc with 6 Biotech and 6 in physiology could use 9 dice for the same test. Of course if you aren't using the complementary skills rule then you're right you have to adjust skill ratings accordingly

[Kagetenshi]

[nezumi]