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stevebugge
post Dec 30 2005, 05:01 AM
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Yes the question of just what is stuffer shack has come to a boiling point in our group. We rotate GM duties and depending on who's running Stuffer Shack either resembles a 7-11 (a 24 hour convenience store specializing in overpriced pseudo food, beer, soda, and magazines), sometimes with a gas pump or it Resembles a certain well known pseudo-burger joint with a pair of yellow arches (which is what I thought Nukit Burgers were). Somehow or other Starbucks survived in our games too which is just scary in and of itself (does anyone else think they are evil enough to be a subsidiary of Aztechnology?) Anyway what's everyones take on the Stuffer Shack, Convenience Store, Fast Food Joint, Regular Grocery, something else entirely?
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:03 AM
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It's like a Convenience Store/small Wal-Mart. McHugh's is the fast food killing zone.
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:04 AM
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you could see the stuffer shack as a mix between a (small)wallmart and a convenience store
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:04 AM
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I always thought of it as kindof a AM/PM market with a cook and no gas pumps.
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:05 AM
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well Lazarus, you beat me to it :)
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:06 AM
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:13 AM
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SR1 refered to it as a supermarket chain. Both SR1 and First Run use the analogy of "a half dozen chimpanzees going wild in your local supermarket."

However, the size of the stores indicated on both version of the map suggest something more along the lines of "large convenience store" or "neighborhood corner market" than a supermarket, I would say. To me, at least the terms "supermarket" and "small wal-mart" imply a bank of checkout lanes at the front of the store. Both Stuffer Shack maps had a single checkout counter in the corner by the door.
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:14 AM
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QUOTE (Lazarus)
It's like a Convenience Store/small Wal-Mart. McHugh's is the fast food killing zone.

Yeah I knew McHugh's. I don't include them that way in my game, the McHugh's Restaurants are pretty nice and quite an institution in Seattle, that and I worked for Mick McHugh's brother Tucker's coffee company for a while (Caffe Appassionato, really good stuff).

http://www.tsmchughs.com/ an example of a McHugh's Restaurant

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post Dec 30 2005, 05:15 AM
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QUOTE (RunnerPaul)
SR1 refered to it as a supermarket chain. Both SR1 and First Run use the analogy of "a half dozen chimpanzees going wild in your local supermarket."

However, the size of the stores indicated on both version of the map suggest something more along the lines of "large convenience store" or "neighborhood corner market" than a supermarket, I would say. To me, at least the terms "supermarket" and "small wal-mart" imply a bank of checkout lanes at the front of the store. Both Stuffer Shack maps had a single checkout counter in the corner by the door.

Those are the sort of things that confuse things.
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post Dec 30 2005, 05:20 AM
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Oh, and for what it's worth, the scale on the map for the SR1 Stuffer Shack gives dimensions of 36 x 30 meters, and that's including the back room areas as well. That's a small Dollar General, or a decent sized 7-11.
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post Dec 30 2005, 06:06 AM
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The McHugh's in SR is like McDonalds except it has ungodly security complete with knockout gas and plastic tables that provide no cover. I think it was meant as a joke in SR1.

Of course the layout is sort of messed up for what they sell but in the SR1 and the First Run book they sell everything from food and radon kits to cheap furniture. So to me it has the feel of an oversized convenience store or a small Wal-mart with one check out. It’s basically local crappy chain store at its finest. The perfect place to destroy as a little side thing.
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post Dec 30 2005, 12:11 PM
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Ah the good old Stuffer Shack, it seems everytime i play a game; shit goes down in the Shack?

**Insert sarcasm here**why is this, some one tell me?
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post Dec 30 2005, 01:11 PM
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I've always seen Stuffer Shacks as a sort of generic small store. Most have food, some have other stuff. You could probably pick up a TV, and, with the right checks, a couple of automatic weapons.
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post Dec 30 2005, 01:18 PM
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Not quite as big as Walmart or Target, but much more selection than a Wawa or 7/11.

It doesn't have the selection of the bigger stores but it has more than the smaller ones. It is NOT a fast food joint.
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post Dec 30 2005, 01:20 PM
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Maybe SS is run by Aztechnology, too?

Well, in my game they are. As is Starbucks, and Wal-Mart, and every other place where I hate to love to waste my money. It's the retail equivalent of a skanky hooker. You do it because it's cheap and easy, but you desperately feel the need for a shower afterwards.

Oh, my description is basically a 7-11 clone.
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post Dec 30 2005, 02:54 PM
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Aztechnology seems to have a lock on consumer goods, so I'd be surprised if the owner trail _didn't_ eventually lead back to AZT.
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post Dec 30 2005, 03:08 PM
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7-11 with gas pumps. And I thought Stuffer Shacks were definitely owned by Aztechnology in canon. I have no sources, but it my be in the Spraw Survival Guide. I have the PDF, I'll check soon and repost.
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post Dec 30 2005, 03:12 PM
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Nope, not in SSG.
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post Dec 30 2005, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (Lazarus)
The McHugh's in SR is like McDonalds except it has ungodly security complete with knockout gas and plastic tables that provide no cover. I think it was meant as a joke in SR1.

I know this, we still call them McDonalds in our game because of the confusion with the RL McHugh's restaurants (TS McHugh's and FX McRory's). There are some difficulties with playing SR and actually living in Seattle, most notably that the Game Designers weren't from here and so some of the Seattle Canon material borders on ridiculous to those of us who are from here.
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post Dec 30 2005, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (stevebugge @ Dec 30 2005, 10:36 AM)
There are some difficulties with playing SR and actually living in Seattle, most notably that the Game Designers weren't from here and so some of the Seattle Canon material borders on ridiculous to those of us who are from here.

I run out of Minneapolis/St. Paul when I run a game. Solves a lot of problems...
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post Dec 30 2005, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (stevebugge)
Somehow or other Starbucks survived in our games too which is just scary in and of itself (does anyone else think they are evil enough to be a subsidiary of Aztechnology?)

LMAO! :rotfl:

It is the same in our game, starbucks has survived and i think we did a run where we found it to be an Azzy subsidiary.

I always thought of Stuffer Shack as kindof a Biglots store combined with a Sheetz gas station, minus the pumps. Some food to order, convinence store, and random cheap drek laying around.
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post Dec 30 2005, 08:40 PM
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I just looked at it as a giant convienent store open 24/7.
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post Dec 30 2005, 11:33 PM
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Only it's the size of an A&P, allowing for frequent running gunfights in them.
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post Dec 30 2005, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (Jrayjoker @ Dec 30 2005, 09:08 AM)
7-11 with gas pumps. And I thought Stuffer Shacks were definitely owned by Aztechnology in canon. I have no sources, but it my be in the Spraw Survival Guide. I have the PDF, I'll check soon and repost.

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Of course the layout is sort of messed up for what they sell but in the SR1 and the First Run book they sell everything from food and radon kits to cheap furniture.  So to me it has the feel of an oversized convenience store or a small Wal-mart with one check out.  It’s basically local crappy chain store at its finest.  The perfect place to destroy as a little side thing.

It reminds me of the two closest CVS stores to my old apartment almost exactly to the layout, contents, and complete disregard for ADA (SS aisles are small for trolls, CVS aisles couldn't fit a wheelchair) regs.
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post Dec 31 2005, 01:18 AM
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I think Stuffer Shack doesn't exist physically, but as a symbol. A symbol of stagnant, chain-store America. One is unable to discern what exactly the store does because the chains have become so interchangeable in their repetition that it does not matter to the shopper anymore which chain he shops at, but whether or not he has shopped in a place he has shopped in a thousand times before, and will shop at a thousand times again out of sheer apathy.

So in other words, I have no idea.
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