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 Jan 20 2006, 01:03 AM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019  |
How much do they cost for spurs and katana, and what do they give?
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Jan 20 2006, 01:23 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
Dikote hasn't been converted yet.... (I wouldn't mind if they just left it out though, too crazy).
And I am lost on your monofilament question. |
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Jan 20 2006, 01:30 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Is dikote REALLY good? And I heard that you could have a monofilament edge for a katana.
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Jan 20 2006, 01:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 400 |
If they do add it, i'd hope for more AP than power, and remove any difference between dikoted edged weapons and piercing.
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Jan 20 2006, 01:33 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
What did it do in SR3?
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Jan 20 2006, 02:46 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
In SR3, dikote added +1 power and +1 DL to edged weapons. In other words, a dikoted katana would do (STR+3)S and a pair of dikoted spurs would cause (STR*2 +1)S base damage.
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Jan 20 2006, 02:49 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Wow... dikote is AWESOME!!! Would it also add armor piercing?
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Jan 20 2006, 02:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
I'm betting dikote will add to AP and DV by a small amount, or just AP value.
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Jan 20 2006, 04:34 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
I'd put my money on just AP, considering today's diamond tipped drilling & cutting tools. They do not add to the actual power of the bit or blade, but do have a higher hardness factor allowing them to cut more efficiently.
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Jan 20 2006, 04:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 178 Joined: 4-September 05 Member No.: 7,682 |
I agree. Sharpness does inflict a little more damage due to being able to penetrate/cut deeper, but the real benefit is is getting through that pesky armor. Since SR4 has separate stats for damage and penetration, I feel that they can convert dikote more realistically than ever before.
Monofilament's big thing is that monowire and monowhips have AP -4. Any added damage they do is just a bonus because at least they CAN damage heavilly armored targets. |
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Jan 20 2006, 05:02 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
So monofilament edge would be about -3?
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Jan 20 2006, 05:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
-1 if you go based off of the sword =p
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Jan 20 2006, 05:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 400 |
Are you talking about the monosword? Cause it wasn't that cool, actually. It had the same damage code as katana, and debates raged on about wether you could dikote it at all. SR3 assumed that katanas were really long compared to swords (or less concealable, anyway), and SR4 seems to run that way too given the concealability table. Also, the core SR3 book called a katana a two-handed weapon, so i guess the trade off is that the monosword was one handed and more concealable but had the same damage code as the katana. We can assume the a monosword in SR4 would have the same stats as an SR4 katana, and there was no mono-katana.
No, if you want the damage, skip the monosword and wait until dikoting rules come out, though i'd suggest either an extra -2 onto the existing weapon or maybe 1 DV and -2 AP if you're feeling generous. i'd kinda hate to see it get crazier than that. And i don't even want to think about dikoted vibro mono-katanas. As to wether a katana should be more or less powerful/concealable than an entry as generic as "sword", and debates about single/two-handed swords, i'll save those for another time. |
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Jan 20 2006, 06:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
it says in the book the sword is 1handed and the katana is 2handed...
so yeah it's better then the katana. |
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Jan 20 2006, 03:24 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Please read the book. |
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Jan 21 2006, 12:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
My biggest beef with dikote is it did everything. Added damage to any weapon (even blunt weapons, somehow magically) and if sprayed on armor (that could handle it ) you got more armor to.
The stuff was pure gold. Then of course you add that to a guy with a vibro-sword and some light security armor, let the team rigger put some on his car and you've got a shadowrun team walking through town like godzilla.... |
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Jan 21 2006, 03:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 178 Joined: 4-September 05 Member No.: 7,682 |
It is based on surface area, and that is largely a GM call. Surface areas are not listed. There is a minimum to even bother firing up the machinery, if a Katana or a single set of spurs is all, then that minimum applies. |
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Jan 21 2006, 04:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885 |
I think it was like 1k to get a katana done. and that was the min cost.
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Jan 21 2006, 06:40 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Well, it IS diamond, and the technology for it is being developed even today. |
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Jan 21 2006, 06:47 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
So what?
No, the technology exists even today. In fact, technology more advanced than what was described in Man & Machine exists. It provides few if any of the advantages mentioned in the book. It's good for reducing friction and wear and tear -- it does nothing to make any kind of weapon more lethal. For more details, search the Shadowrun forum history for "dikote" by poster "Cray74". This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Jan 21 2006, 06:48 PM |
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Jan 21 2006, 07:32 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
What's with the jokes about sex with ally spirits and dikote?
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Jan 21 2006, 08:00 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Somewhere Member No.: 635 |
I sware your honor my ally spirit was perfectly willing I SWARE!
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Jan 21 2006, 08:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
What the hell is the connection?
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Jan 21 2006, 08:18 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
It's all got to do with the AVS-materialization.
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Jan 21 2006, 09:19 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
AVS-Materialization?
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