 NSRCG (Should it be upgraded to version 4)?, For the users of NSRCG only please |
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 Feb 6 2006, 10:43 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706  |
Dash, one thing I could suggest is that the folks working on generators talk about data file format (if you're going to have a need like that, which you might not) so that the gear files, for example, used in one program could easily find their way into another. This would let everyone in the community benefit from a single data entry effort.
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Feb 6 2006, 10:54 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 3-January 05 Member No.: 6,926 |
I'm in the process of doing my first SR4 character with Excel, for the third remake. One of the problems with the character, has been keeping track of what bonuses are where. I actually had to reverse the creation process and start with fixed numbers(equipment, spells, Contacts) then Skills, Attributes and Pos Quals, which all fluctuate based on the hard numbers.
Given the massive alterations to the SR rulescape, I have to agree with the majority, that a simple gui interface that can track the alterations and prices we need would be a big step in bringing 4th ed into the lives of more Shadowrun fans. While I love 3rd, the hard truth is that it is no longer being supported. I would suggest releasing the source code to the SR community. Those who are die-hard 3rd fans(of which there probably are many) can use the code to build the add-ons you speak of. Meanwhile mcmackie, you could then devote yourself to 4th ed without feeling like you've left the 3rd ed people behind. |
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Feb 7 2006, 03:05 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 7-February 06 Member No.: 8,238 |
Well I was asked by Drix to post up on here if NSRCG had made a difference in my life and if I enjoyed using it, which I have... Greatly. I can only stress so much how much of a help the program is. I mean it's revolutionary. All the other CG programs out there are -nowhere- as close to being as good as NSRCG is. I mean they're alright to tinker with but I honestly believe that NSRCG is the best one out there. It's thorough and has a pretty kick-ass interface. Come on guys! You've -got- to make one/upgrade the existing one for the new edition, you've just got to!
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Feb 19 2006, 12:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 190 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,787 |
I want enough to promise another paypal donate (Admittedly a small one) when SRCG4 comes out
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Feb 21 2006, 03:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
I'll for sure donate. |
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Feb 22 2006, 03:03 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
True, but the format of something that I would do and something that McMackie would do are so vastly different that there would perhaps necessarily be some data manipulation necessary to make them talk to each other. All of what he did as the .dat files in the NSRCG are maintained in a series of database tables for me so I don't need files. Course, the database tables can be exported to files or populated therefrom so I could use them, but I'm also more than willing to write a parser for one person's .dat files to make them line up with what I would need. Not sure which makes more sense. If you want to chat about it, McMackie, drop me a PM :D |
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Feb 25 2006, 09:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 314 Joined: 25-February 06 Member No.: 8,307 |
I love NSRCG. My players that are computer savvy use and love it too.
Please bring your fine work to SR4, and I will be happy to make a PayPal donation. |
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Mar 2 2006, 10:13 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
Same here.
The Excel one works great for the basic number crunching, but it doesn't provide a finished character record. You still have to manually transfer all the data to another character sheet. I also like the fact that the NSCG's character record is updatable as you play the character. |
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Mar 5 2006, 04:36 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
Can the 4th Edition NSRCG-a program we use heavily and enjoy greatly, and love greatly- made while keeping the 3rd Edition version available for now? Or for a while-we hope, since we're still there.
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Feb 13 2009, 10:43 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 25-June 08 Member No.: 16,081 |
If you need some help give me a ping. I'm a C# ninja and pretty good with C/C++ as well. I actually tried making my own generator in C# but it came apart when RL got hectic and I couldn't get any other coders to help me with it. It might make a good framework to start on if you're interested in collaboration.
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Mar 1 2009, 06:16 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,116 Joined: 5-October 03 From: True North Strong and Free Member No.: 5,686 |
I LOVE NSRCG
I used it all the time until I switched to 4th. Creating NPCs was very easy and so user-friendly. Creating a starting runner takes me about 2 to 3 times more time with the excel sheets than it used to with your great tool in 3rd. The excel sheets lack a lot compared to NSRCG, which I wouldn't mind giving a small financial contribution for (anyone else with me on this?). |
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Mar 2 2009, 03:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 697 Joined: 18-August 07 Member No.: 12,735 |
QUOTE (gobogen @ Mar 1 2009, 12:16 PM)  I LOVE NSRCG I used it all the time until I switched to 4th. Creating NPCs was very easy and so user-friendly. Creating a starting runner takes me about 2 to 3 times more time with the excel sheets than it used to with your great tool in 3rd. The excel sheets lack a lot compared to NSRCG, which I wouldn't mind giving a small financial contribution for (anyone else with me on this?). Heck, I contributed to the beer fund for NCRCG 3.x I'd do it again for 4.x |
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Mar 2 2009, 04:26 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 3-February 09 Member No.: 16,837 |
Heh. I guess I should get off my butt and make a 4th ed char gen program. I was gonna make one for 3rd, but then I ran into the NSRCG. Since it seems noone has really made a SRCG4, I may give it a shot.
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Mar 2 2009, 08:24 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
pity that old mcmackie doesn't post around these whereabouts anymore . . of course, most of the time he would be pestered about the NSRCG or to make a new one for SR4, but still . .
and i did not vote, as i would both like the completed works for SR3(i am still not playing SR4) and the new one for SR4 . . i hate the character creation in 4th, i just don't get it somehow . . and SR4 NSRCG would probably let me overcome that hurdle and maybe get me started playing . . |
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Mar 11 2009, 10:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Well, I'm biased because I only play SR3, so I want that one fully polished instead of work going to SR4. For example, at least with the version I have shapeshifters often suddenly get made into non shapeshifters, freeing up 3 attribute points and generally screwing with things. This happens after you save, quit, and reload.
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Mar 11 2009, 11:25 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
QUOTE (mcmackie @ Jan 22 2006, 06:50 PM) For the users of NSRCG only please. Yes, I know that many very intelligent people don't need it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) but for those that do. I need feedback if I'm to determine the demand and need for a version that supports SR4. As it stands now, I can finish up the work necessary to complete it (Complex Forms / Magical Allies) OR I can work on it. I've looked over the changes and unfortunately, SR3 Character Generation (CharGen) rules share very little with SR4 CharGen. This means any work would be from scratch. Given this, is there a need for it or are the existing efforts (Excel spreadsheets, online generation) sufficient? Hence the poll. I wanted to find out if there is any support for this from the community. Please leave the SR3 generator. People still use it. If you do as fine a job with 4th edition as you did with the current generator, I am sure it would be quite useful. |
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Mar 12 2009, 12:24 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
and people still don't realize that it's been more than three years since that posting was made O.o
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Mar 12 2009, 07:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
We can still dream!
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Mar 12 2009, 10:37 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
ok, yes, i will give you that ^^
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Mar 13 2009, 08:55 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 3-February 09 Member No.: 16,837 |
I knew it was old. I was just commenting on the fact that I should get around to making my own program since there's a new edition.
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Mar 13 2009, 09:25 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
if you can do it in the same quality that the NSRCG is, then that just MIGHT persuade me to actually try and play SR4 . .
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Mar 14 2009, 11:52 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 3-February 09 Member No.: 16,837 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 13 2009, 04:25 PM) if you can do it in the same quality that the NSRCG is, then that just MIGHT persuade me to actually try and play SR4 . . Heh. Well, don't hold your breath. I only have the base book, and haven't even really had a chance to read it with everything else I have going on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Apr 26 2009, 08:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 21-April 09 From: Tacoma Member No.: 17,105 |
sorry to butt in on whats supposed to be NSRCG users only, but i have been recommended to get my hands on the program for SR3.
ive poked around the history and such but cant find a good link. can anyone point a chummer in the right direction? |
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Apr 26 2009, 09:50 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
yes, i can.
look at my signature down there ^^ |
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Apr 27 2009, 02:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Validating Posts: 121 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Hannover/ADL Member No.: 12,510 |
Or look at mine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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