 Real-world RFID tags, News article about supertiny ones |
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 Feb 6 2006, 07:29 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773  |
EETimes article.
The writeup mentions that they can be used as watermarks in paper. Watermarks with 128-bit encryption, that is. |
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Feb 6 2006, 07:40 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Well that certainly is going to make counterfeiting more difficult, imagine RFID'd currency or ID cards.
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Feb 6 2006, 07:51 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
What imagine? :) |
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Feb 6 2006, 08:03 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
You'll forgive me if I'd like a corroborating source on this. I suspect the site owners wrap more than their bills in Tin Foil.
Still RFID'd official documents or currency seem like a good idea (the number one reason the US goverment wouldn't do it, the number two being it might actually work) |
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Feb 6 2006, 08:15 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Oh, I'm not saying there's any truth to it.
I'm also not saying there's not. .... Dun dun dunnn! |
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Feb 6 2006, 09:35 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Careful they are watching :)
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Feb 6 2006, 09:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/69246 Germans top IT news site. They are extremely reliable. Naturaly its in German, though. EDIT: sorry, refering to wrong post. |
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Feb 6 2006, 09:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Can you confirm they're not just parroting the source in the OP?
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Feb 6 2006, 10:00 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
If at all, they are parroting hitachi themselves:
http://www.hitachi.com/New/cnews/060206.html EDIT:Refering to wrong post again. |
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Feb 6 2006, 10:08 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
The Hitachi press release simply states that they could be used that way.
http://www.bep.treas.gov/section.cfm/7/35 Says they are not currently in use in US Currency. |
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Feb 6 2006, 10:21 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
Opps, my mistake. I didnt read the prissonplanet thing . . . thats the unreliable source. I thought you meant the initial post.
Of course, there are no RFIDs in dollar notes (yet). |
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Feb 7 2006, 04:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Yeah, I got a little confused there myself. First post, interesting technology note. Second post, whackjob realizes microwaves burn things in the middle.
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Feb 7 2006, 11:05 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
And, probably, never will be. |
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Feb 7 2006, 11:07 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
Because paper money will become obsolete in next future anways?
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Feb 7 2006, 12:04 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Because advanced security against forgery isn't exactly something the dollar is known for...
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Feb 7 2006, 01:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
RFID is a great invention. For forgers. Everything you have to do to create a good forgery is to copy the Data on an RFID chip. You do not even have to touch the chip to do that.^^
The company I am working for is one of the world's leaders in the application of RFID technology, METRO Group, the third largest trading corporation. Many areas of RFID tech are still experimental only. |
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Feb 7 2006, 10:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
The new RFID credit cards worry me. You know, the touch-and-go ones? With those, all a fraudster has to do is have an RFID reader and just stand there in the middle of a crowd and get lots of credit card codes from those he bumps into. I would imagine that subways and other public transportation will become hotbeds for theft of credit card RFID's.
Good to know, but the Federal Trade Comission has simlar worries. |
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Feb 7 2006, 10:16 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
those credit cards are silly. they need atleast to have some sort of pin code or similar. hell, im surprised anyone wants to use a card that you dont have to verify thats your the owner of...
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Feb 8 2006, 12:07 AM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
ya need to read the fine print on those... the only non pin use is under 25 beans.
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Feb 8 2006, 12:11 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
still, a good fraudster never charge much on the cards...
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Feb 12 2006, 03:27 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 28-March 05 Member No.: 7,251 |
The truth is much, much more horrible than that. The real future is more like Daedalus from Ex Machina. And its getting here slowly and systematically. I've been following RFID very closely for years now. Them and their implantable variety (the Verichip). Anybody who wants to find out more about what RFID chips are driving us towards would do well to pick up a copy of this book. Fantastic read, and even if your mind chooses to ignore the horror you can still use the info for your SR4 gaming. The Horror |
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Feb 12 2006, 03:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
Great now i need to check out this book, i am very curious now.
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Feb 12 2006, 06:13 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
I think it's a bit pre-emptive, truthfully. The US, for the most part (as in, barring Bush), puts a very high premium on privacy. Plus, these devices are simple enough that they arne't too tough to overcome. I wouldn't sell the house and move to Montana quite yet, but it would be a useful book for SR4.
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Feb 12 2006, 09:49 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah, but here's the thing that makes me doubt it: The chip would never survive the torture test BEP puts test bills through. If a hologram has yet to come close to suriviving, I can't say I have much hope for RFID in the spy strip. |
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Feb 13 2006, 03:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Great, a book written by a Christian whackjob about why RFID chips are the mark of the Beast. I'll get right on that! Here's some more info on Katherine Albrecht (the author). Article on Boing Boing |
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