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So, which Metatype burns best?
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post Feb 7 2006, 06:40 PM
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Dwarves, assuming they have the most body hair.
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post Feb 7 2006, 09:19 PM
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Yes, but what else floats in water? Apart from Wiccans.

(It was just a matter of time.)

Ehr, shit, shit always swims on the top!

(just a look at the Azi Board, and most runners will second that ;) )
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post Feb 8 2006, 12:46 AM
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Yes, but what else floats in water? Apart from Wiccans.

(It was just a matter of time.)

Ivory soap.
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:22 AM
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Yes, but what else floats in water? Apart from Wiccans.

(It was just a matter of time.)



Ivory soap.


That, and soap made from human fat. Beautiful, flammable human fat.
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:39 AM
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Humans burn fastest. They're just not special enough.
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:50 AM
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Unless they get abnormally lucky, as they are wont to do.
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post Feb 8 2006, 04:03 AM
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But if you're going to use science words, you should use them correctly. I'm fine with people having "a corrosive", but I'm not OK with people calling their corrosive "di-hydrogen monoxide."

Not corrosive, eh? I've got a used car I want to sell you then. It was exposed to a little dihydrogen monoxide a few months back in New Orleans, but that won't hurt it at all, because it's not corrosive or anything. Never mind the rust spots; those just add character! :)
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QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Feb 6 2006, 01:48 PM)
But if you're going to use science words, you should use them correctly. I'm fine with people having "a corrosive", but I'm not OK with people calling their corrosive "di-hydrogen monoxide."

Not corrosive, eh? I've got a used car I want to sell you then. It was exposed to a little dihydrogen monoxide a few months back in New Orleans, but that won't hurt it at all, because it's not corrosive or anything. Never mind the rust spots; those just add character! :)

Do acids and bases oxidize things?
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post Feb 8 2006, 06:45 AM
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Acidic solutions contain an abundance of H+ ions. They'll attempt to combine with negativly charged ions, including OH-

Basic solutions contain an abundance of OH- ions and these ions will attempt to combine with positive ions, including H+

Acidic and basic solutions corrode because of the reactions they cause as they pull complimentry ions from whereever they possibly can. This doesn't cuase oxidation per se, but the reslting compounds can be oxidizers.

Plain old liquid water is can be described a solution of equal parts OH- and and H+ ions due to water's dipole nature, which is why it makes a very good solvent. Due to this fact, hydrogen hydroxide is the prefered scientific term for H2O, rather than dihydrogen monoxide. I think that is what Frank was refering to. Hydroxic (hydroxy) hydride and hydroxic acid are also acceptable as water can be described as both H[OH] and [OH]H
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 7 2006, 10:45 PM)
Acidic and basic solutions corrode because of the reactions they cause as they pull complimentry ions from whereever they possibly can.  This doesn't cuase oxidation per se, but the reslting compounds can be oxidizers.

Er, "pulling complimentary ions from whereever they possibly can," is about as close to the definition of an oxidizing or reducing agent as you can get. Acids are oxidizers, and bases are reducers.

As for completely pure water being called hydroxic acid and the like, that's essentially untrue. Completely neutral water, usually called deionized water or 18.2 Megaohm water because pure water's electrical resistance is ~18.2MOhms, has a pH of 7.0, meaning the concentration of H+ ions is 10^-7M. This is not very acidic or basic at all, as liquid water itself has a concentration of about 55.5M at room temperature putting the relative concentration of ions in solution at about 3.6*10^-7%. Water is very good at dissolving other polar compounts and many ionic compounds because of its polarity, not because of its high degree of self-ionization: the polar water molecules stabalize the solvated ions/compounds that would otherwise be more stable in a bonded form.

The reason "Katrina cars" are so mangled isn't just the water, really; it's the combination of water, salt, and, most importantly, oxygen. Oxygen is a horribly corrosive compound, a disgustingly toxic byproduct of plant cells' photosynthetic processes. According to government studies, corrosion costs the US government over $276 billion a year, over $128 billion of that in electrochemical corrosion, most of which is directly the fault of oxygen. Of course, it also just happens to be necessary for us to live. :)
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:28 PM
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So now I can't threaten people I poured hydroxic acid in their drink and laugh maniacly?
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post Feb 8 2006, 03:29 PM
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Are you kidding? I do it all the time, though it kinda ruins the joke when you reveal that roughly 2/3 of their body is made up of the same thing. :P
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post Feb 8 2006, 04:34 PM
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Are you kidding? I do it all the time, though it kinda ruins the joke when you reveal that roughly 2/3 of their body is made up of the same thing. :P

Careful or I'll report you to the IAEA for trafficing in Nuclear Materials :grinbig:

I always thought that Acids were defined as being Hydrogen "Donors" and Bases as Hydrogen "Takers" (maybe I have it backwards) and that this was the basis for their "corrosive" reactivity when the Hydrogens rearranged themselves.
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post Feb 8 2006, 05:29 PM
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Please excuse me for temperorilary misplacing my brain.

Water does have a neutral PH, but it also has the ability to act as either an acid and as a base in certain reactions, thus the terms hydroxic acid and hydrogen hydride are both correct, if somewhat clumsy.

If you want to mix it up a bit, hydrogen oxide works, as well.

On a sidenote, a common method of sterilizing food had been shown to produce carcinogens that can contribute to stomach cancer as well as other dangerous byproducts. I recommend banning pyrolytic steriliziation of all foodstuffs and shall be persenting a petition to my congressperson. I urge you all to do the same.

And to bring this back on topic , metahuman meat breaks down into the same carcinogens when pyrolytically sterilized. Ghouls don't eat pyrolytically sterilized meat and I've never met a ghoul with stomach cancer. Coincidence? I think not.
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post Feb 8 2006, 05:44 PM
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So how many did you meat? I probably spent the evening with 3 or so, and once was on a Ghoul-Party, I never dated one myselve, but one of my buddys did, she ate his heart (but he got it replaced, or without my knowledge went undead). However, I did not ask one of them about thair last stomach check.
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post Feb 8 2006, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca)
Acidic solutions contain an abundance of H+ ions. They'll attempt to combine with negativly charged ions, including OH-

Basic solutions contain an abundance of OH- ions and these ions will attempt to combine with positive ions, including H+


In Water, sure. In a more general sense, an Acid is an Electron Acceptor and a Base is an Electron Donor. So in water, the Acid produces positive ions (H+) that accept electrons, and the Base produces negative ions (OH-) that have electons to spare. But there are also acids and bases that operate purely electrically or in non-aqueous solutions and have different ions involved altogether.

The "di-hydrogen monoxide" comment was a refernece to the DHMO research division.

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post Feb 8 2006, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (MK Ultra @ Feb 8 2006, 12:44 PM)
So how many did you meat? I probably spent the evening with 3 or so, and once was on a Ghoul-Party, I never dated one myselve, but one of my buddys did, she ate his heart (but he got it replaced, or without my knowledge went undead). However, I did not ask one of them about thair last stomach check.

Well, when I sold guns in Asamando gastrointestinal cancers were among the list of diseases I screen all prostitutes for before having unprotected sex with them.

It is an undeniable fact that burning people causes cancer. Eating burned people causes gastrointestinal cancer. Inhaling the smoke from burning people causes lung cancer.
Cooked food is exactly like burned people except it isn't made from people (unless it is made from people).
Something must be done.
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post Feb 8 2006, 06:07 PM
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Medical scanning technology has really gone far. At this point you can really just have the prostitutes stand in the medical shop for about a minute and the CT will adjust to her movements automatically and give you a very accurate picture of her insides. Most conditions that would keep you from having unprotected sex can be screaned for non-invasively. That and a blood test lasting minutes instead of days, and you can determine if she's too hot to handle in less time than it takes a pull-tab burrito to heat itself evenly and cool down to where it can be eaten safely.

Unsafe sex has never been so safe!

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post Feb 8 2006, 06:07 PM
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Calling the water based acid a proton donor, and the water base a proton acceptor/sink is more accurate than using the term hydrogen because it doesn't "give" or "take" the whole atom.

Thinking of it in terms of electrons though makes the head hurt a bit less than these electronless protons floating around. :)

Oh, and deionized water is for crap in aiding metal corrosion because the water aids the oxydizing corrosion by closing the electrical current loop that allows the metal atoms to come free to react with the oxygen. For the current to flow there must be ions present, which there are very few of in pure water which is why it's electrical resistance is so high. However there are several orders of magnitude more ions present in sea water, so it is much more efficent at aiding the corrosion.
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post Feb 8 2006, 06:45 PM
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Assamando? Oh so I got you wrong. I mixed ghules with goths (also often mixed with WOD LARPERs) which act, lock and smell the same as Ghouls with toupets would.
Possibly they do cook people, maybe they eat them alife and unburned, I donīt know.

Did You test the assamando prostitutes for Krieger HMHVV, I guess this should be the major concern, since some devious gm may misinterpret unprotected sex as having close personal contact and thus riscing Ghulblinisation :D
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post Feb 8 2006, 07:11 PM
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I didn't need to test them for HMHVV; the blindness, claws, skin condition, hairlessness, and eating of rotting human flesh were a dead giveaway.

And that's the joke. Stomach cancer isn't nearly as contagious as Krieger is.
Its sort of like getting worked up over the dangers of sterilizing food and forgetting the dangers of deadly foodborne bacteria or getting worked up over nuclear power plants while forgeting about the dangers of not having any electricity.

Sources suggest that ghouls require their meat to be raw and are specific that they require it to rotten. Ghouls don't have to worry about foodborne bacteria, apparently. They'd probably get food poisioning from fresh and/or cooked products.

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post Feb 8 2006, 08:43 PM
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Actually, yeah, IIRC ghouls get sick from eating cooked or fresh meat.
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OK, you persuaded me, my next char will set out and get Krieger, before he dies of stomach cancer :D

:| Oh damn, there are no rules for Ghulinfection in SR4 yet :S
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