So inspired by emo samurai and hyzmarca, should ther be mechanical dv modifires of fire damage based on the metatype?

Edit: Oh, I´ve probably forgotten to put a "wonky" icon on this post, it´s not supposed to be entirely serious .

My opinion is that they all burn great when enough fuel and tempurature is applied.

No there should not. Metahumans with higher volume to surface area ratios will be exposed to less fire, but they will also have more inherent difficulty managing heat to begin with. This will result in more circumferential burns for smaller metatypes and more internal fever-related injury for larger metatypes and I don't care!

That kind of medical exactness is unwarranted in a game as realtively "cinematic" (which means "in-exact") as Shadowrun.

-Frank

(As an aside, since I understand English is MKUltra's second language and not to berate him, but the singular of 'elves' is 'elf'. Just for future reference! Not to cause trouble!!)

I'd say there are three basic factors to consider when examining these things:
1) Ratio of lovely, burnable fat to the overall mass of wet, not so flammable body parts (I presume dwarves, humans or orks would do best in this area. Deckers, riggers and mages probably do better than street sams and adepts.)

2) Ratio of surface area to volume (this is what makes kindling burn better than thicker wood). Humans or dwarves would probably do best here. It would probably take some math to figure out which does better though.

3) Amusing antics the individual does whilst on fire. Trolls have the advantage of perhaps being able to run through walls, but the idea of a running, dwarf on fire just cracks me up. Look at this little legs run!! Haha, Redbeard is always good for a laugh. Even better when 'helpful' allies try to put out said dwarf by beating him against the wall. Sams have some chance of ammo cook-off. However, mages probably are most amusing, as they rarely have an 'extinguish self' spell on hand, and so are liable to try all sorts of crazy stuff to put themselves out, such as a fireball in a contained space, calling the air elemental to suffocate him, etc. As an aside, would being on fire preclude any exclusive actions?

So the best would be a dwarf shaman. I imagine this is part of why toaster shamans are so few and far between, but bring such great joy (and toasted bread products) during their life span.

(Also, why is this in the SR4 forum? Do characters burn differently in SR4? Is it more amusing or something?)

In a more realistic system, yes, Although basing the modifiers on Body rather than metatype would be best. In SR4, it is too abstract. A high body character could by stout, muscular, athletic, or simply massive. A low body character could be flabby, anorexic, malnurished, or suffering from a chronic illness.

Since DV is also badstact, it prevents another problem. DV is too broad general for very percise modifiers to apply. If you have seperate damage tracks for seperate body parts as well as hit locations, it would be a different matter. As it is, modifing DV would have too much of an impact.

A more elegant solution for modeling the wick effect and similar phenomenon would be to modify the threshold for extinguishing the flames based on a ratio of STR to Body Mass Index.

I voted mages, just be cause that would allow cries of "Burn the mage First!"

Dwarves, yep they burn best.
Its the beards see, they act as kindling.
And they tend to have higher body fat, because the only fat characters I've ever seen are dwarves.
This adds up to my vote going to dwarves.

Humans will burn best. See, dwarves are shorter, stockier, and more muscular. Elves are tall but skinny, so there's not a lot of fuel involved. Orks are bigger than humans, but there's a *lot* of muscle packed onto that frame, which doesn't burn as well as fat. Trolls are kind of the same, except they've also got that really gnarly heavy hide, and hide isn't the most flammable of things ever.

Humans would totally burn the best.

mages, (and shamans, especially berserk wolf shamans) burn best, especially when engulfed by a fire elemental that sets off all four white phosphorus grenades and Ex-explosive ammo on the character.

(Gm offered to let me roll body to resist and i said "Why bother, he's dead after the second grenade anyway."

I was lured to this thread by all the wrong reasons the title could suggest.

I find it really amusing that mages outnumber all the other options.

Of course, I voted mage too. But it still amuses me.

Yes, but what else floats in water? Apart from Wiccans.

(It was just a matter of time.)

Little pebbles....wood...

Dwarves, assuming they have the most body hair.

Humans burn fastest. They're just not special enough.

Unless they get abnormally lucky, as they are wont to do.

Acidic solutions contain an abundance of H+ ions. They'll attempt to combine with negativly charged ions, including OH-

Basic solutions contain an abundance of OH- ions and these ions will attempt to combine with positive ions, including H+

Acidic and basic solutions corrode because of the reactions they cause as they pull complimentry ions from whereever they possibly can. This doesn't cuase oxidation per se, but the reslting compounds can be oxidizers.

Plain old liquid water is can be described a solution of equal parts OH- and and H+ ions due to water's dipole nature, which is why it makes a very good solvent. Due to this fact, hydrogen hydroxide is the prefered scientific term for H2O, rather than dihydrogen monoxide. I think that is what Frank was refering to. Hydroxic (hydroxy) hydride and hydroxic acid are also acceptable as water can be described as both H[OH] and [OH]H

So now I can't threaten people I poured hydroxic acid in their drink and laugh maniacly?

Are you kidding? I do it all the time, though it kinda ruins the joke when you reveal that roughly 2/3 of their body is made up of the same thing.

Please excuse me for temperorilary misplacing my brain.

Water does have a neutral PH, but it also has the ability to act as either an acid and as a base in certain reactions, thus the terms hydroxic acid and hydrogen hydride are both correct, if somewhat clumsy.

If you want to mix it up a bit, hydrogen oxide works, as well.

On a sidenote, a common method of sterilizing food had been shown to produce carcinogens that can contribute to stomach cancer as well as other dangerous byproducts. I recommend banning pyrolytic steriliziation of all foodstuffs and shall be persenting a petition to my congressperson. I urge you all to do the same.

And to bring this back on topic , metahuman meat breaks down into the same carcinogens when pyrolytically sterilized. Ghouls don't eat pyrolytically sterilized meat and I've never met a ghoul with stomach cancer. Coincidence? I think not.

So how many did you meat? I probably spent the evening with 3 or so, and once was on a Ghoul-Party, I never dated one myselve, but one of my buddys did, she ate his heart (but he got it replaced, or without my knowledge went undead). However, I did not ask one of them about thair last stomach check.

Medical scanning technology has really gone far. At this point you can really just have the prostitutes stand in the medical shop for about a minute and the CT will adjust to her movements automatically and give you a very accurate picture of her insides. Most conditions that would keep you from having unprotected sex can be screaned for non-invasively. That and a blood test lasting minutes instead of days, and you can determine if she's too hot to handle in less time than it takes a pull-tab burrito to heat itself evenly and cool down to where it can be eaten safely.

Unsafe sex has never been so safe!

-Frank

Calling the water based acid a proton donor, and the water base a proton acceptor/sink is more accurate than using the term hydrogen because it doesn't "give" or "take" the whole atom.

Thinking of it in terms of electrons though makes the head hurt a bit less than these electronless protons floating around.

Oh, and deionized water is for crap in aiding metal corrosion because the water aids the oxydizing corrosion by closing the electrical current loop that allows the metal atoms to come free to react with the oxygen. For the current to flow there must be ions present, which there are very few of in pure water which is why it's electrical resistance is so high. However there are several orders of magnitude more ions present in sea water, so it is much more efficent at aiding the corrosion.

Assamando? Oh so I got you wrong. I mixed ghules with goths (also often mixed with WOD LARPERs) which act, lock and smell the same as Ghouls with toupets would.
Possibly they do cook people, maybe they eat them alife and unburned, I don´t know.

Did You test the assamando prostitutes for Krieger HMHVV, I guess this should be the major concern, since some devious gm may misinterpret unprotected sex as having close personal contact and thus riscing Ghulblinisation

I didn't need to test them for HMHVV; the blindness, claws, skin condition, hairlessness, and eating of rotting human flesh were a dead giveaway.

And that's the joke. Stomach cancer isn't nearly as contagious as Krieger is.
Its sort of like getting worked up over the dangers of sterilizing food and forgetting the dangers of deadly foodborne bacteria or getting worked up over nuclear power plants while forgeting about the dangers of not having any electricity.

Sources suggest that ghouls require their meat to be raw and are specific that they require it to rotten. Ghouls don't have to worry about foodborne bacteria, apparently. They'd probably get food poisioning from fresh and/or cooked products.

Actually, yeah, IIRC ghouls get sick from eating cooked or fresh meat.

OK, you persuaded me, my next char will set out and get Krieger, before he dies of stomach cancer

Oh damn, there are no rules for Ghulinfection in SR4 yet