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post Feb 12 2006, 11:17 PM
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so, everyone counters hackers with skinlink, BUT notice that it is a section "Electronics", under accessories, and it says that the accessories can work with any ELECTRONICS device.

Maybe you can't skinlink your gun after all...
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post Feb 12 2006, 11:45 PM
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well, if you put a smartgun system on your gun, that is technically an electronic (or is a bunch of wheels and mechanics bits giving you that sight in your eye?) so you could probably skinlink to it anyways.

That's probably the common method of routing it from gun to goggles, or just to your eyes if you're a proper cyber.
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post Feb 12 2006, 11:49 PM
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now that i've been reading, skinlink will protect you from outside sources (unless the hacker, or technomacer touches your skin, and then tries to hack you.) The skinlink uses the already exsisting neural pathways and eletromagnetic signals that get sent all though out your body (commands from the brain to the muscles to move). So you're not broadcasting a wireless signal...

Skinlink can work with any eletronic device (that's set up to use skinlink), but you have to touch it to get it to work... so in theory, you could walk up to your toaster, touch it and it will make your toast perfect...not very convenient... but as you're already holding a pistol, it makes more sense to skinlink it then to use wireless or your pistol might start shooting your friends in the presence of enemy hackers.


Connection goes as follows: Cybereyes/goggles skinlinked to your Comlink. Comlink goes to your pistol. You route your gear though your comlink.
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post Feb 13 2006, 12:25 AM
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more correctly, skinlink use your bodys ability to carry electrical signals.

irl microsoft have applyed for a patent on a similar kind of system.

most likely in SR your basicly using the same protocol for both wireless and skinlink transmissions, so the change over will be quick. you basicly just need to change from one kind of antenna to another...

so im guessing that you can have some devices that do wireless, some that do skinlink, and some that do both. and with a comlink in place they can all talk to each other as the comlink handles the signal routing...
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post Feb 13 2006, 05:57 AM
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I want one of those Korean skinlinked iPods - when the video ones come out.
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post Feb 13 2006, 06:10 AM
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I want one of those Korean skinlinked iPods - when the video ones come out.


The Koreans have skinlinked iPods?
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post Feb 13 2006, 09:51 AM
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Technically, yes. There's a prototype.

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KAIST researchers modified an iPod nano and an earphone with its test chips for demonstration purposes. A user would need to keep a finger constantly pressed to a conductor on the iPod, which would send the audio signal through the arm to the earphone. The chips can produce data rates of up to 2 megabits per second while consuming less than 10 microwatts, Song said.


Hence the specific desire for a skinlinked video iPod since I'd already be touching it anyway.

In other news, MS holds one of the patents on the tech.
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post Feb 13 2006, 05:17 PM
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If you're wearing gloves, you can't skinlink?
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post Feb 13 2006, 05:30 PM
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Yeah, Where would you wear your comlink so that it touches your skin?
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post Feb 13 2006, 07:19 PM
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Yeah, Where would you wear your comlink so that it touches your skin?

In my pants?
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post Feb 13 2006, 07:27 PM
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Maybe it's like this:
Japan one-ups us again
This Japanese company is working on a similar technology to the one IBM patented. Except this one only needs to be within 20cm of the skin to interface with the electric field. I'm willing to say that skinlink needs to be within a few cm of the skin to work, not actually touching it. Solves a lot of problems.
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post Feb 13 2006, 09:27 PM
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do you need to get a skinlink for every item you want to use it, or just your comlink? It wouldn't be that expensive if you needed to buy it for every item and would make more sense to me if you did. Anyone want to clear this up for me? :cyber:
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post Feb 13 2006, 09:30 PM
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i think it's for every item, as it's an accessory for electronic items, you can't get away with just buying 1 scope for your collection of guns, rght?
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post Feb 13 2006, 10:41 PM
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Also, a lot of cyberware doesn't even need to be connected to your commlink at all. Your cyberarm has a dni, it can be isolated with the wireless off, no hacking allowed. Your eyes/smartlink and ears needs to be connected for you to get AR info. But most everything else has no need to be controlled by anything other than a DNI.
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post Feb 13 2006, 11:44 PM
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But if you have, say, a device installed in that arm, it might be handy to have THAT skinlinked...

How about heavy armor or the environmental protection: electrical armor? Would that screw with this stuff?
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post Feb 14 2006, 12:22 AM
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What sort of device requires external control? Besides implanted commlinks and sensory stuff or smartlinks, I mean.
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post Feb 14 2006, 12:54 AM
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That's mostly the kind of thing I was thinking about. Put, say, a laser mic in someone's cyberarm, and you've got to have the controls for it ready to go. Or let's say you get a flash-pak built into both biceps, just because it's amusing. Or a high-rating medkit built into your thighs, for medic types (all the tools right at hand, computer accessed mentally). There's all sorts of interesting stuff you could put into limbs rather than carry around if you wanted, it's just a matter of imagining it. And a lot of it has stuff you could control mentally.
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post Feb 14 2006, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE (Josh The Stampede)
What sort of device requires external control? Besides implanted commlinks and sensory stuff or smartlinks, I mean.

Well, shortly, anything that needs to be triggered. A Flash-Pak needs external control to operate; so does a firearm (pulling the trigger is external), a grapple gun, shock gloves (activate), explosives (setting fuse methods like contact/airburst/timed for grenades), jammers/white noise generators (on/off)...

A lot of stuff. :-P
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post Feb 14 2006, 02:09 AM
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i would advise against having your explosives skinlinked for detonation though....
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post Feb 14 2006, 03:34 AM
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Not if you want to make a cool ambush.
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post Feb 14 2006, 03:37 AM
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QUOTE (Lagomorph)
Where would you wear your comlink so that it touches your skin?

Well I would guess that the skinlink mod for a comlink includes either a small induction pad (like a heart rate monitor that you stick to your lower back (or somewhere equally as unobtrusive and comfortable eg a modified/custom shoulder holster and a pad conected in your armpit) or your clothes could have small patches of electro-conductive material in common locations (crotch, waistband, neckline or points of your shoulders) plus interconnected wiring between these points such that if one disconnects from your body others are still connected. There are already Jackets and pants that are able to have iPods, PDAs or other commercial electronics connected in and have the controls run from a pad on the sleeve and speakers attached near the collar. Of course being a consumer world all the manufacturers would have different configurations of pad layouts so your Nike shoes probably don't talk well to your puma socks and your expensive designer jeans by Calvin Kline don't communicate with your budget K-Mart brand budgie smugglers. so you have to buy all one brand (or family of brands - so maybe you buy the Calvin Kline jeans with iNtel iNside :classic: )

Also if you have your clothes Electricallly grounded to protect against lightning or taser or stick-n-shocks then you will be wanting to get any rfid tags in it wiped so that your opponents can't identify the clothes from them and aim for the connection points to bypass your electrical protection (even if they just short out the clothes rather than you your PAN should go down folled closely by you as you get outclassed.
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post Feb 14 2006, 03:45 AM
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QUOTE (Aku)
i would advise against having your explosives skinlinked for detonation though....

QUOTE (SL James)
Not if you want to make a cool ambush.


Blam!

<red sam 1> Um sir I believe we have been ambushed by the worlds most incompetent ambusher!

<red sam officer> Any identification of assailant?

<red sam 1> Well I believe I can scrape some of him off the wall for identification back in the lab sir!

<red sam officer> well scan for the assailants accomplices - they should be easy to find they will be standing around with stupefied looks on their faces and possible also covered with more identification material - then continue with your patrol.

<red sam 1> copy that sir!
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post Feb 14 2006, 05:47 AM
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Wow.

That's probably in the top ten of the most idiotic things I've read by someone trying to be clever and failing miserably.
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post Feb 14 2006, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE (SL James)
Wow.

That's probably in the top ten of the most idiotic things I've read by someone trying to be clever and failing miserably.

Thanks - glad you appreciated it :D



Can I add yours to the top ten of most idiotic misworded comments?



By that I mean when you say:

QUOTE (SL James)
Not if you want to make a cool ambush.


I'm hoping you meant boobytrap rather than ambush.

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am·bush
n.

  1. The act of lying in wait to attack by surprise.
  2. A sudden attack made from a concealed position.
  3.
        1. Those hiding in order to attack by surprise.
        2. The hiding place used for this.
  4. A hidden peril or trap.

booby trap
n.

  1. An explosive device designed to be triggered when an unsuspecting victim touches or disturbs a seemingly harmless object.
  2. A situation that catches one off guard; a pitfall.


While yes an ambush can be termed "A hidden peril or trap." as indicated, but that is a rare example of the usage of the word and a more common word for this usage is a boobytrap. I was simply illustrating a more common interpretation of your response based on the language you have used.

I really can believe I just wasted so much time on the reply to this? Must be because it is frikin hot here and I'm at work so hot+working=short fuse and retort just had to flow (cathartic I'd say)

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post Feb 14 2006, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE (Lagomorph @ Feb 13 2006, 12:30 PM)
Yeah, Where would you wear your comlink so that it touches your skin?

p210 "Commlinks come in a dizzying array of shapes...from stylized head sets to faux jewelry...." yes ladies and gents, this ridiculous apparatus can now be part of your bling.
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