Loose Change vol. 2, The new Shadowrun 4th ed. movie. Options

[P.P.Lemonade]

Click to check out the new hour and twenty minute long flash Shadowrun 4th ed. movie and upcoming book.

[mintcar]

horrifying

[nick012000]

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You know, I think that guy made another conspiracy theory video. He seems to do that a lot.

"OMGWTFBBQ! Teh govahment's 0ut t0 GET US!!!!!eleventyone!" :please:

[mintcar]

This is not that kind of conspiracy. This says their out to get the world ;)


And I beleive it.

[Backgammon]

Woah.

So, who got the 160 billion in gold?

[BaronSameday]

Smart money is on can food and shotguns :love:

[Akimbo]

I listened in on about 30 minutes of that video for background noise. What does this have to do with Shadowrun 4th edition again? All I hear is something about 9/11 conspiracies.

[mintcar]

I think the original poster was getting at how this conspiracy is sick enough that it could easily have been a sr source book.

[runefire32]

[Mr.Platinum]

4th Edition?

I say you Yankee's should rise up and take whats yours!Your Country!

Now i'll sit back and waite for some agency to bust down my door.

I don't understand why the people even try to take this to court, it seems theres enough evidence out there to make those in power pay?

WTF? i just don't understand? why is this aloud to happen?

[Galmorez]

Nothing to do with Shadowrun, but I've believed this conspiracy theory for a long time. People leaving a tower heard explosions and then the building collapsed. Aviation fuel may burn pretty hot, but not hot enough to bring down a skyscraper in an hour. That would take thermite.
That and all the Iraq has nukes stuff afterwards. The only thing I'm curious about, is what was such a threat that we needed to get a big foothold in the Middle East? The U.S. guvmint doesn't do anything without a damn good reason. I'm just afraid it's an oil thing... Maybe the background story for Fallout is coming true.

:(

[stevebugge]

[Drace]

Also, adding to Gamorez on the believing much of the 9/11 being a cons. The "plane" that hit the ground was flying too low to fly and not hit lamp posts and power poles (which were all still up), the plane would also have caused a backdraft going as fast as it was (which was faster than its top speed), and the fact the explosion was that of a concrete insertion warhead (like those used for bunkers).

The situation kinda reminds of the Tom Clancy book & movie Clear and Present Danger (or Patriot Games, can't remember which one)

[nezumi]

I've seen evidence that it wasn't a jet liner that hit the building at all, but a flying saucer with New Mexico license plates.

Hmm....

[nick012000]

Honestly, I doubt that your average man on the street could tell the difference between the sound of an explosion and the sound of lots of heavy stuff falling. Both make a big, big bang.

And even if there were explosions, so what? The terrorists used something to take the twin towers down on top of airplanes.

[Mr.Platinum]

[blakkie]

[nezumi]

I will say that I have family and friends who were in the area of the Pentagon. None of them reported anything odd. A friend of mine is the daughter of a firefighter who did report finding pieces of airplane wreckage. Even though there must have been hundred of witnesses, the video fails to touch on how many witnesses did note two explosions (or whatever else is odd. Anyone else think 'huh, cordite? Why would anyone use cordite, even for explosives?'), how many feel everything went as the gov't explained, and how many couldn't testify either way.

The government keeping stuff under wraps is pretty much SoP. I wouldn't expect anything less.

[runefire32]

Theres enough things fishy and enough physical imposibilities to almost guarentee that it was not a 757 that hit the pentagon like it was reported. And certainly flight 93 didn't suddently disapear when it hit the ground in PA. Don't have to believe their version of whats behind the conspiracy mind you...But you should be able to tell that a good amount of what people believe about 9-11...isn't what actualy happened.

With the WTC theres a bit more that could be going on than reported. A friend did a bit of research...which says things to the opposite of some of the things reported in the video. It doesn't really prove it either way...but theres enough there, that should make you atleast wonder and think about it both ways.

[blakkie]

I'm not sure if they are trying to say it was an explosive warhead missle? Some solid rocket engines have used a cordite type material, but I don't know how that relates to stuff currently in use. Plus they were trying to say it was a cruise missle, which uses a turbine fan engine not solid fuel powered.

[runefire32]

[blakkie]

I'm not even entirely convinced about that.

Some of those pictures have a really bad angle, where there could be an engine core wreckage at the base of the walls and you wouldn't see it. Fuel filled wings and tail fins vapourizing in a fire at the base of the wall, and not penetrating milspec armored walls and windows? The Pentagon is no normal building afterall. *shrug* Not much of stretch for me.

[nezumi]

Runefire, it certainly isn't 'impossible' that a jet slammed into the pentagon. The news crews might not have been able to get good pictures, but that's because the pentagon is a top secret area. If there's a gaping hole in your wall, you're going to keep cameras away until you know what might be revealed and what attacked you. It's just common sense. And if there's no airplane wreckage, how come the hundreds of fire fighters haven't said anything? It's a lot easier to pick a photo a few hours after the crash when the wreckage has been moved or whatnot and say 'look, no plane!' than to put a missile through the wall and expect the 500 people who will see the crash site to not wonder what's going on.

As for the lamp posts, look up the force of the backwash on a 757's engines. I don't think the jet hit the lamp posts, it just flew close enough to knock them out with the hundreds of thousands of pounds of thrust coming out of those six ton engines.

Blackkie's point is there is no logical reason the US military would be using anything with cordite. It's overpriced and not especially effective. Our rockets don't use it, our guns don't use it. So if the people say they smelled cordite, they're either wrong (most likely) or the conspiracy is REALLY weird.

[mintcar]

In my view, it's much more propable, concidering what we know independent of this video, that (parts of) the US government either turned a blind eye or orcestrated the entire thing, than it is that they didn't. But there's obviously not enough proof to say for sure.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

One of the claims is a bit odd, too:

2000°F equals 1093°C.
For steel, that is even a bit above the temperature range where it is hot-molded (at that temperature, there's a substantial drop in pressure resistance).
So, I really don't wonder why that guy from NIST was fired when claiming at that temperature the steel wouldn't have been affected. 8)