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Feb 18 2006, 10:22 PM

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Has anyone discussed adding an off-topic forum to the site?

Oddly enough, there used to be one.

It was shut down when people couldn't play nice.
As I recall, many of the problems stemmed from arguments over politics and such.

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If the powers that be find good reason to close this topic, fine. It won't be the first time such discussion has been censored because of a handful of browbeating nags.

Namecalling and other such flames were also a large problem.

Churl Beck

Feb 18 2006, 11:27 PM

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There are less than 10 people that want this thread closed. Too bad they can't turn the other cheek and let the rest of the membership talk about what they want, despite the huge amount of interest in this topic.

If the powers that be find good reason to close this topic, fine. It won't be the first time such discussion has been censored because of a handful of browbeating nags.

And if you can't pull a few hooks out of this film for your Shadowrun game that will blow your players' minds, well...

That this topic can be tangetially applied to Shadowrun does not make it Shadowrun-related. I suppose I could make a shadowrun about Oprah's Book of the Month Club too, but that doesn't mean I should start a topic about A Million Little Pieces on Dumpshock. That you threw that in merely as an addendum shows that you know that "the huge amount of interest in this topic" has nothing to do with role playing.

Critical thinking involves examining all sides of an issue, evaluating the merits and flaws of each, and coming to an objective conclusion. I am one of those interested in this topic, but I obviously think that the thread should be closed. I would be in favor of creating an off-topic area for this kind of discussion, however if you want a serious analysis, then specialized forums like those at abovetopsecret are far more valuable. This is only an RPG website, after all. Yet you ignore all of this, and suggest persecution even if the moderators "find good reason" to close the topic. (Note to self: "good reason" = browbeating censorship.)

The truth is out there, but a good story pays better.

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Feb 19 2006, 12:56 AM

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being interested in it, and it having to do jack shit with shadowrun, are two different things

Do you even know what a shadowrun is?

yes, i do.

and i still dont think that this topic has jackshit to do with Shadowrun, the game.

I also think we should've clocked Sadam in the head, the first time.

fsux View Member Profile	Feb 19 2006, 07:09 AM Post #79
Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 5-August 05 From: Eureka Springs, AR Member No.: 7,537	Hey, did you hear that the moon landing was actually filmed in a Hollywood studio?? Man our government is always telling us lies... Do you guys remember the game Dark Conspiracy? One thing I remember about that game was the fact that it suggested you use tabloids like "Weekly World News" to get plot lines. I liken films like the one posted here and the other garbage like Farenheit 911 and Unfarenheit 911 to resources to use for SR plot lines, but nothing more.

Mr.Platinum View Member Profile	Feb 19 2006, 05:22 PM Post #80
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853	I think this is very SRish, it helps us take a look at how deep conspiracies can go, now look at how much a Triple AAA corp will go to cover something up, and then look at how much The so called US guv will go to cover things up also. It's on Topic and a great example of Theories, and very inspirational, also gives some great insite that some people need to make a great run.

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Feb 19 2006, 05:51 PM

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I should start a topic about A Million Little Pieces on Dumpshock.

Apples and oranges. Why would you start a thread about an Oprah book? That has nothing to do with Shadowrun in the least. The 9/11 event had all kinds of Shadowrun related events going on. Demolitions, hijackings, drones, psyops... Like I said, it may be the greatest real life shadowrun ever.

On another note, there's alot of thread crapping going on here. Let's stop it now.

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Thread Crapping is the fine art of either adding statements to or making a new post to a thread solely for the purpose of flaming or being extremely negative regarding the subject being discussed.

Aku

Feb 19 2006, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE (P.P.Lemonade @ Feb 19 2006, 12:51 PM)

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I should start a topic about A Million Little Pieces on Dumpshock.

Apples and oranges. Why would you start a thread about an Oprah book? That has nothing to do with Shadowrun in the least. The 9/11 event had all kinds of Shadowrun related events going on. Demolitions, hijackings, drones, psyops... Like I said, it may be the greatest real life shadowrun ever.

sure it does. didnt you hear the people bribe her to get on her book list. And i've heard a couple of authors have had their writing had cracked to keep them offa it. Entry level shadowrunning work all the way.

my point is ANYTHING can be made into a shadowrun. And since this ISN'T a conspiracy forum, and since thats what MOST of this conversation is, i dont feel it belongs.

Edit:remove extrenous had.

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Feb 19 2006, 05:56 PM

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And i've heard a couple of authors have had had their writing had cracked to keep them offa it.

I don't understand you.

P.S. Shadowrun has conspiracies.

Aku

Feb 19 2006, 05:58 PM

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And i've heard a couple of authors have had had their writing had cracked to keep them offa it.

I don't understand you.

what don't you understand? it's like the mafia capping someones kneecaps, but since that wouldnt affect a writer, you crack their hand, in a very painful way.

sound luidacris?

my point.exactly.

Churl Beck

Feb 19 2006, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE (P.P.Lemonade @ Feb 19 2006, 12:56 PM)

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And i've heard a couple of authors have had had their writing had cracked to keep them offa it.

I don't understand you.

what don't you understand? it's like the mafia capping someones kneecaps, but since that wouldnt affect a writer, you crack their hand, in a very painful way.

sound luidacris?

my point.exactly.

I didn't understand it either. It says "have had had their writing had..." But now I see it's supposed to say "have had their writing hand cracked."

Aku

Feb 19 2006, 07:45 PM

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P.S. Shadowrun has conspiracies.

Yes. And so could Oprah's book club, but that doesnt mean we can talk about Oprah's book club here.

Churl Beck

Feb 19 2006, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE (P.P.Lemonade)

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I should start a topic about A Million Little Pieces on Dumpshock.

Apples and oranges. Why would you start a thread about an Oprah book? That has nothing to do with Shadowrun in the least. The 9/11 event had all kinds of Shadowrun related events going on. Demolitions, hijackings, drones, psyops... Like I said, it may be the greatest real life shadowrun ever.

You are forgiven if you haven't heard the controversy behind A Million Little Pieces, but as with many things it involves lies, cover-ups, and a lot of money and credibility on the line. A shadowrun based on it is fairly easy to imagine.

Regardless, there is a difference between saying "x would make a great basis for a shadowrun" and saying "x was a great real-life shadowrun." At best, the latter is inviting debate about the facts alleged in the video. At worst, it is an easy troll on your part. In either case, the course of the thread followed predictably enough.

Suppose that, instead of A Million Little Pieces, I started a thread about a Tom Clancy novel. If the discussion centered around whether or not Clancy was a better writer than Grisham, I am not then entitled to claim that the thread should be kept open simply because the thread is "popular"--and besides, shadowy things happen in Tom Clancy novels. That's a blatant red herring. Similarly, this thread has centered around whether or not the video is factual, and by all indications, that is exactly what you wanted.

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On another note, there's alot of thread crapping going on here. Let's stop it now.

I'm not sure specifically to what you are referring, but you've already cried foul once when people objected that the thread is off-topic. Calling it "thread crapping" just seems to be the latest iteration of a theme. (By that standard, even the admin who issued a warning was thread crapping.)

Churl Beck

Feb 19 2006, 08:49 PM

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Edit:remove extrenous had.

You still have one too many. :)

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Feb 19 2006, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE (Aku @ Feb 19 2006, 12:54 PM)

Edit:remove extrenous had.

You still have one too many. :)

Shouldn't that not be "You still have had one too many"? :)

Adam View Member Profile	Feb 19 2006, 10:04 PM Post #90
Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51	Well, this has been off topic since the first post, so it's being closed now. Handy hint: If you want to discuss real world conspiracy theories as they relate to Shadowrun, you should indicate that in your original post, and actually make some effort into drawing parallels and discussing how it could be used in a Shadowrun game, as opposed to just dropping a link and misrepresenting that it's related to Shadowrun.

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