 The Amish?, ...Yes, yes, I know, a weird question. |
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 Feb 16 2006, 02:28 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 26-January 06 Member No.: 8,194  |
I was thinking up names for a shadowrunner I'd like to play as, and for some reason I thought of the surname "Yoder." This immediately got me thinking of the Amish. I thought it would be a fun and unique endeavor to play an Amish girl who UGE'd into an elf during Rumspringa and decided not to return to the community for whatever reason.
Which got me to wondering; do the Amish exist anymore in 2070? I mean, they're barely hanging on now as it is, but when the different governments took their slices of the United States and chopped it up into the UCAS, with all the wild social revolution that took place during the Awakening, and a corporate agenda to spread out and conquer, could the Amish even exist anymore? Regardless of the merits of my idea, I'm simply curious as to the possibilities of this inquiry. Are the Amish extinct in Shadowrun? |
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Feb 16 2006, 02:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
edit: Brainfart
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Feb 16 2006, 03:07 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 26-January 06 Member No.: 8,194 |
I believe that would be the Ute Indians, because that was their turf in the first place.
I think you're confusing the Amish with the Mormons though; the Amish's two biggest settlements are in Ohio (Holmes County) and Pennsylvania (Lancaster County) respectively. They both shun most all technology, but they don't have any of the sophisticated resources (or will to use them) that the NAN had. Both settlements are on UCAS territory. |
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Feb 16 2006, 03:24 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i'd have the Amish bought out by Ares. it'd be a combination of direct purchase of their land, corporate subsidizing of their quaint, authentic ways, and convincing the UCAS gummint to claim their land and award it to Ares for development. Ares would then turn around and turn Holmes and Lancaster Counties (maybe just one of them) into a nature preserve/theme park, where hordes of gawking tourists could trample the privacy and dignity of the few real Amish with the strength of will to cling to their principles in the face of being made into cultural whores. as the Amish population dwindled, it would of course be supplemented with Ares employees who live the Amish way from 9-5.
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Feb 16 2006, 04:05 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It is a great idea but there is one small problem, people don't goblinize into elves. You're either born an elf or you'll never be one. She could have goblinized into an ork or a troll. If she was already an elf she could have SURGEd into a bizarre elf metatype.
Night ones are a popular metatype choice because they're sort of like dark elves and they have munchy stat bonuses. I think dyrads would be better because no one plays Dyrads and they aren't nearly as munchy. Plus, all dyrads are female which gives you an excuse to be a lesbian elf. You could even have an Amish elf boy SURGE into a female dyrad, making things very wierd. |
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Feb 16 2006, 05:39 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
If you're referring to Salt Lake and all that , the mormons have it. IIRC, they helped Daniel Howling Coyote while he and his were "on the lam", and in return, got to keep their lands. So now all of SLC is like BYU campus. Meaning that girls have to wear skirts of certain length, no caffiene, no kissing in public, no smoking. That sort of thing. Check out SoNA |
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Feb 16 2006, 05:39 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
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Feb 16 2006, 06:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 504 Joined: 8-November 05 From: North Vancouver, BC Member No.: 7,936 |
Actually, isn't there a mention of amish under the flaw uneducated, I dont have my copy or SR4 to check though.
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Feb 16 2006, 07:35 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Praise be, the writers weren't complete idiots. It references Luddites, not Amish.
The question's been answered, but out of interest what's the relevance? ~J |
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Feb 16 2006, 07:58 AM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Well just to put the obvious answer up here because it is late and tis the best your gonna get outta me right now.
Remember it is your game you want to have the amish still around then go for it same with any social order and/or religion. As to what the game designers have or have not said is around I sadly haven't a clue but I am sure someone who has read it will chime in and if not writen in yet wait for a designer to give his/her 2 nuyen worth lol. |
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Feb 16 2006, 12:18 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
Having lived in the lancaster county area for 12 years, i think i ca say with some certainity that the Amish would still be around, horse poop and all. What better proof that their way of life is the right way of life than magic, SURGE, UGE and everything else in SR.
as an aside, i dont think they would LET anyone that expresses in any fashion in the community, or would shun them if it happened while "on the homestead" |
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Feb 16 2006, 02:29 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
The Mormons live in Utah. |
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Feb 16 2006, 02:53 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yeah, I get that. Also, many practitioners of Shinto live in Japan. That doesn't make either of them at all relevant to the Amish.
~J |
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Feb 16 2006, 03:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
Sounds to me like Amish lifestyle would fall under what a lot of people are calling "pinkskin."
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Feb 16 2006, 03:40 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
That was just Trax getting confused. |
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Feb 16 2006, 03:43 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
I think the whole mormon thing was a simple case of mixing up words. I may be wrong. |
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Feb 16 2006, 04:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Recently I read an article of quite a few Amish selling their lands for a good price in Lancaster area and moving to places like South Dakota (or was it North? I forget). Thing is, while they might be 'uneducated' in the form of formal education, that does not mean they are not shrewd in business. If they do get bought out by a megacorp for their land in places like Penn, they'll probably move out further in some remote areas for farming, etc... They'll still be around. The main question I would have is what is their stance of magic?
Gawd, I remember driving through Lancaster and watching the traffic back up because of the horse and buggy on the main street. Wheeee. |
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Feb 16 2006, 04:16 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
This is why, when driving from my home to anywhere that could pass Lancaster, I either give myself an extra two hours, or I find a way around Lancaster. |
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Feb 16 2006, 04:41 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
I kind of like the idea of planting runners in an Amish Community. Imagine a a decker or technomancer trying to fit in in a place with no matrix, or even electricity, where everyone is expected to do physical labor. It seems like it would present a situation with a lot potential for some light humorous roleplay. Likewise the Amish background character moving to the big Sprawl could be interesting to play. Maybe Incompetence in electronics but having some obscure but useful artisan skills or a hidden aptitude they only discover after leaving the Amish Community.
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Feb 16 2006, 05:21 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Yes, Ares sponsered and promoted Amish Rake Fights!
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Feb 16 2006, 06:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
Yeah, I knew it was the Mormons in Utah, but I had a brainfart and for some reason mixed them with the Amish. |
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Feb 16 2006, 07:38 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It happens. Just so long as at the end of the discussion they're unconfused, all's well :)
~J |
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Feb 16 2006, 08:00 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
Like i said, i dont think ANYTHING outside of their normal, accepted Homo Sapiens would be allowed to remain in the community. They havent accepted ELECTRICITY yet, what makes you think that they'd accept an elf, or an orc, or magic? |
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Feb 16 2006, 08:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 470 Joined: 2-January 05 From: Quebec Member No.: 6,924 |
They would probably burn people who can do magic at the stake.
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Feb 16 2006, 08:03 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
But what if magic are actually miracles and such given by God (in their view)? The spirits that are summoned taking form of angels and such. Hmmmm?
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