 The Amish?, ...Yes, yes, I know, a weird question. |
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 Feb 16 2006, 08:13 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 8-February 06 Member No.: 8,244  |
Here in New England, we have the Mennonites and the Quakers. We fraggin' rule in the Radical Reformation Anabaptist sect contest!
Actually, from what I know of the Amish, they'd simply accept the meta as the same member of the community they were in the first place - God made them that way, right? In the real world, the Amish have an extremely high rate of "genetic expression," in the form of hereditary genetic disorders. After all, almost the entire population is descended from a few hundred people three hundred years ago. (That's not the healthiest gene pool going!) But they accept these disorders as "Gottes Wille" (god's will), so I don't imagine they'd even bat an eye if Isaac Jr. was born with tusks.
Again, the Amish don't believe in capital punishment - only god has the right to take a life, in their tradition. A Wizard would, however, probably get shunned until they left the community. |
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Feb 16 2006, 08:22 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Y'mean aside from the fact that they have? The Amish are not monolithic. Some communities allow electricity, but stipulate that it must be generated by the community and used only for proper functions (most things you can do with a twelve-volt battery, recharging said batteries, milk churning equipment, and a few other specific things I've forgotten) rather than on simple conveniences like lightbulbs, etc. Gas-powered tilling machines are sometimes allowed if pulled by humans or horses. Chemical pesticides are sometimes used. It's a remarkable few that haven't accepted anything of the kind. The primary concern here is not technology per se, but the effect that it will have on the community and on the work ethic of the individuals that comprise it. In summary, with all due respect you don't know what you're talking about. ~J |
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Feb 16 2006, 08:27 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
So then, what would more proactive Amish communities be accepting by the 2070s? Maybe they allow computers, but not matrix connection or games. (not even solitaire)
They probably mostly allow electricity in most forms, and cars. Maybe they even allow video TV, provided it's only news and weather. (not trid, though) No Simsense, I'm betting. Thoughts? |
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Feb 16 2006, 08:41 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
all of my experience comes from the lancaster county Amish, and, while it's been a few years since i've been in the area, i've never had any experience with any of them doing ANYTHING electrical. The farms all had the men with two horses pulling the tine plows, EVERYTHING was done by hand. In general, in lancaster, atleast, there is a second group that behaves much like amish, however, have adopted some of the "comforts" that we know. Those being the Menonites, they drive and use electronic devices, but they arent Amish. |
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Feb 16 2006, 08:46 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 8-February 06 Member No.: 8,244 |
There actually are groups of "Black Bumper Amish" who drive cars (no chrome allowed) and use electricity - but, needless to say, many other communities don't consider them Amish, anymore. |
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Feb 16 2006, 09:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 404 Joined: 22-June 05 From: Canada eh! Member No.: 7,455 |
There are some really large communities of Amish just outside of Kitcher/Waterloo. Some of my cousins have worked with them, and the information that I had relayed to me, was that for work, they were allowed machinery, but not at home. There is a great deal of Amish furniture sold around here, and the pieces are definitely crafted with power tools, but not huge machinery. All of the information I have is heresy, but the same stories repeated by several different people.
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Feb 16 2006, 09:20 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
By 2070, they'd have been wiped out. Lancaster County is, after all, prime farming real-estate, and it's got to have a fairly positive background count, given all the years of hard Amish labor and wide-eyed tourists flocking to the railroad museum.
Which means that some corporation that wanted the land would have funded a "Racial hatred" gang that targeted the Amish, and wiped them out. Then stepped in at the last minute with a bunch of HTR teams, wiped out their dirty-work-doers, too bad, so sad, not in time to save the innovent folks who lived there. But we feel really sorry about the mess, and we'll buy the land from the government for a lot of money, and then farm it. |
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Feb 16 2006, 09:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Probably not, I'd see the corporations offering them nuyen for the land and many of them accepting it and heading off to wherever. I can't find the freaking article, but I read it within the past few years about the new tensions arising in North or South Dakota between the locales and their new amish neighbors, many of whom had sold their lands in Lancaster for a nice profit and moving to the new state to get cheap land. It's cheaper than the round about way you're talking about and less bodies too, less effort to work on the pr about all these dead amish folks and such. No, the corp will first offer for the land. Racial hatred group against the Amish..? ok... |
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Feb 16 2006, 09:55 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 8-February 06 Member No.: 8,244 |
I'm sure that plenty of the information you have would be heresy, in the right place (and an Amish community just might fit the bill), but I'm guessing that you mean hearsay. :twirl: |
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Feb 16 2006, 10:20 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
there are lots of quasi-Amish communities around, some of which call themselves different things and some of which call themselves Amish. some of them only keep the dress codes; in my hometown (Franklin co) i see lots of women in bonnets and ankle-length dresses driving cars around town.
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Feb 16 2006, 10:50 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I doubt any of those save the electricity will make it in. They'll probably have the latest tech in modified crops, etc., but if I'm understanding the "style" of the tech that does make it in (in the communities where it does become accepted, of course) I don't think those would fit. For example, how is a computer going to help you perform proper physical labour the way a powered tilling machine moved by hand/horse will? Etc.
I doubt there will be an aspected background count, probably the straight-up kind. I'd imagine especially around tightly-knit communities the count might get pretty messy—maybe even 3-range. Remember, love and happy fluffy emotions pollute the astral just as badly as suffering and hate. The only difference is that it takes a little longer and looks prettier—when you try to cast a spell, it doesn't hurt you any less. ~J |
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Feb 17 2006, 12:29 AM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i thought "happy" background counts helped magic? or am i confusing that with aspected?
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Feb 17 2006, 12:34 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
You're confusing with aspected.
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Feb 17 2006, 12:48 AM
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Slacker Extraordinaire Group: Retired Admins Posts: 337 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ashburn, VA Member No.: 997 |
I think it's pretty easy to misunderstand the amish, to think them unable to keep up due to their odd view of technology, and so on... I grew up in PA, and my grandparents were brethren so I've had some exposure to the culture. It's more complex than most folks give it credit for. I don't know that their is an official answer as to whether the amish still exist or not, but it's pretty easy to do the research and decide for your own campaign. Wikipedia article on Mennonites makes for a great place to start, as the amish split from the mennonites originally.
Interesting... I wonder if in 2070 they may have finally accepted wired networks to distance themselves from the wireless. |
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Feb 17 2006, 07:25 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Fun City Member No.: 8,095 |
Heh, I can just see the possibilities of having a runner team acting on bad information to mistakenly do very nasty things to an amish community that they thought was a base for a Winternight cell pre-crash. |
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Feb 17 2006, 03:49 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
"Clip-clop clip-clop clip-clop *BANG* clip-clop clip-clop clip-clop..."
-- Amish drive-by Sorry, had to get that one out of my system. :silly: |
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Feb 17 2006, 04:23 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 16-February 06 From: Goring-On-Thames, UK Member No.: 8,271 |
Well,
one thing is clear out of most of the reponses so far, most of us seem to have read the wikipedia article ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish I think one thing which hasn't been highlighted is why the Amish don't like wired phones, powerline electricity etc, and that is because they do not want to be dependant on the outside world. They don't use machinery so that no man becomes greedy and wants more land then he can till himself. Personally, I'd say some form of amish would survive into 2070, especially as they are geographically well disparsed in the USA. Alot of their reasoning seems to be similar to alot of native american and even elven attitudes, i.e. back to basics, non-reliance on tech. bladepoet |
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Feb 17 2006, 05:24 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Based on those beliefs they would probably be welcomed in some of the NAN Nations. They aren't tribal but the work hard and don't pollute much, and are probably pretty unobtrusive in a large sparsely populated territory.
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Feb 18 2006, 03:02 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,544 |
No, they wouldn't. Amish are total pacifics. They will not fight even to defend themselves. And they don't just live in those two counties, those are the highest concentrations. They're all through out northeast Ohio and western Penn. Their native language is German. "We" are The English. |
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Feb 18 2006, 03:57 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Out this way, western Canada, the Radical Reformist representitives are the Hutterites. They live in large communial farming colonies, have fairly set dress code, and largely are bilingual speaking both English and their dialect of German (they originated in Austria several hundred years ago), which gives them a fairly recognizable accent. They tend to be hands-on working folk, however they definately use modern conviences like large farm equipment, automated livestock feeding systems, cell phones, and such.
Many colonies also supplement their income with any of a number of crafting industries such as goose down quilts, processed foods, and knitting. Alcohol consumption, mainly homemade wines, also is prevalent on some of the colonies and if you want in-person tutoring on swearing in German they can be an excellent local source. :) Coffee is ok, but smoking is usually forbidden. For many of the individuals though that means just don't get caught. I once came upon and gave a ride to a fellow that looked about 16. He had be walking from the colony to a neighbour's place to trade homemade wine for cigarettes. The notable thing? He was dressed in a light jacket and his traditional cap that doesn't cover his ears. He didn't even have any mitts on, he just had his hands in his pants pockets. It was -25C and a nasty wind. This was bald flat praire, and he was about 1 1/2 miles into a 3 mile walk. Next time you whine about having to step outside for a couple minutes at work to smoke think about that guy. I would expect them to survive the 6th World well because they have shown that they will use pragmatism to adapt, and flurish, in a changing world. Many colonies have shown strength in communal orginization and decent business skills. Even those many of their teens and some adults have gone AWOL, the colonies themselves tend to continue to prosper and grow. P.S. It is interesting to note that there are 3 different branches of Hutterites colonies, and there is friction and some theological disagreements between the different branches. But many outsiders that do not deal with them do not know about this. |
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