 Modern-day, six-shot revolver grenade launcher, Step aside John Wayne, I'm packing power |
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 Mar 17 2006, 04:52 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115  |
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Mar 17 2006, 04:58 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Sounds like a different take on the good old MGL-6 from Fields of Fire :)
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Mar 17 2006, 05:12 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Yep, its an MGL 6, or close enough. Though this isnt exactly easy to hide, and the MGL-6 is like the size of a bloody pistol...
Marines carry six-pack attack I agree with the last guy though. |
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Mar 17 2006, 05:29 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
gee....
KK would really like this one. And she has some extra Karma from the last mission yet to spend. alright pardner...Draw! |
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Mar 17 2006, 06:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 26-July 05 From: Calgary Alberta, CANADA Member No.: 7,519 |
Heh, Rooimech has been marketing that bloody thing since the 80's. The Marines finally decided to pick it up a few years back for the Urban Warfare detail. Not small, but it certainly is effective. I saw a demo by the Rooimech reps back in the early 90's where they unloaded 6 40mm HE grenades in about 8 seconds on an old car on a target range... quite impressive.
Looks like they finally got them. They also look a bit different from the ones I saw at the demo. |
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Mar 17 2006, 07:51 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I like the one in the second link: Retractable stock, modular rail mount, scope... Very neat.
But, yeah, when I saw the title my first thought was, "you mean the one Arnold used in T2?" |
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Mar 17 2006, 08:34 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
omg. DRACO rounds= Fuel-Air Explosive 40MM grenades...
Tasty. :D of course it looks quite a bit different than the original, the front has 4 piticanny rails on it, I'm not quite sure what for though. I can't imagine why or how a taclight or laser sight would be usefull on a grenade launcher. oh well, I suppose they could put 40mm to 12 gauge adapters in it for close combat. |
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Mar 17 2006, 08:48 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
close combat... with an MGL... what is this world comming to.
But DRACO = the king of chunky salsa... ouchies |
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Mar 17 2006, 08:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 313 |
One of the side Piticanny rails would probably be used for an IR laser designator, and the top for the old flip-up leaf sight as a stand by in case the optic is malfunctioning.
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Mar 17 2006, 10:08 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Here's what I want to know....
What's the availability of a thermobaric 40mm round? :) |
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Mar 17 2006, 10:33 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
yeah I wanna know as well. those things would be golden for booby traps.
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Mar 17 2006, 10:43 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
Why bother? Just load one of the 40mm canister rounds I've read about being issued in Vietnam. That's a hell of a lot more buckshot going downrange then you'll get out of a 12 gauge shell... |
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Mar 17 2006, 11:03 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
50% more shot (27 vs. 18 pellets of 00 buck) at 2/3rds - 3/4ths the velocity. More effective anti-personnel rounds might have come out since.
This trend for kewl acronyms in the defense industry is really getting out of hand. I simply cannot take some of the new 40mm ammunition seriously. "High Order Unbelievable Nasty Destructive Series (HELLHOUND)"? Stupidest fucking product name I've ever heard. Since they also say that their HEDP rounds fire molten metal jets, I'm not going to believe in their claims of dual purpose shaped charge & thermobaric grenade either. |
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Mar 17 2006, 11:38 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
What's the big deal about this thing? Revolving cylinder grenade launchers have been around for a while. They'll never get as small as the MGL-6 because we don't live in a world where idiocy and ignorance are valid engineering approaches.
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Mar 17 2006, 11:52 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
Yeah the MGL 12 & 6 joined the Monowhip on the SR-Weapons you kind of have to wonder about list pretty early on, especially with the MGL-6's concealability rating. "ARES Arms: producing ridiculous weapons with the firepower of a Howitzer that you can fit in the palm of your hand since 2054" Canceled Marketing Slogan - ARES Marketing Intern's office |
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Mar 17 2006, 11:57 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
That and the fact that a 40mm gernade is infact, 40mm...
I can buy the DRACO, but the HellHOUND sounds a bit... fictitius? Either way, not something to be screwing around with if your on the business end. And Steve, dont forget the AVS... |
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Mar 18 2006, 12:16 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The design of the HOUND at least is simply an improved version of a standard HEDP grenade launcher projectile: a more efficiently designed shell and warhead for greater fragmentation and blast effect.
The DRACO, on the other hand, claims to be a thermobaric weapon with a shaped charge for penetration, which requires two separate warheads in a projectile weighing about 1lb. Good luck with that. |
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Mar 18 2006, 01:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 775 Joined: 31-March 05 From: florida Member No.: 7,273 |
funny you know, i've always thought that the MGL series was using the 20mm grenades that they were developing for the XM8 that would allow for easier concealment
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Mar 18 2006, 02:25 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Argh...
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Mar 18 2006, 04:44 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
A penetrating Thermobaric gernade. I dont see how that could get though much more then a few sheets of drywall. From what I know (which Ill admit isnt much) those dont have the most 'UHMMF' as far as KE.
Its making Raygun go Argh? Thats never a good sign. |
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Mar 18 2006, 05:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 26-July 05 From: Calgary Alberta, CANADA Member No.: 7,519 |
Just ignore them... They're gamers, not soldiers. |
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Mar 18 2006, 05:39 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Hey, Ill freely admit that 3/4 of what I know about weaponry is thanks to dumpshock.
*waves Hi to the homeland securty people* |
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Mar 18 2006, 06:23 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
He's been here a year. He should have known better. |
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Mar 18 2006, 11:10 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Lindt: They're saying it'll have a shaped charge warhead, one of those hollow cone-shaped, copper-lined ones that anti-tank missiles use. The problem is that such a warhead requires a significant amount of space, and quite a bit of conventional explosives. In a more usual High Explosive Dual Purpose (having both a conventional High Explosive effect and a shaped charge for penetration) warhead, the amount of explosive in the shaped charge is simply increased and designed such that part of it's blast effect is directed outwards to spread the fragmentation from the shell of the warhead. However, if you wish to have a thermobaric effect in addition to the shaped charge the warheads have to be separate, since the thermobaric explosive filler cannot be used in the shaped charge.
You can see a cut-away of an M433 HEDP grenade here. Imagine cutting off the grey (explosive-filled) area a bit behind the rear end of the cone. The room that'd leave for the thermobaric warhead is a cylinder less than 40mm wide and about 20mm long. I have serious doubts that would make for an effective anti-personnel weapon. |
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Mar 18 2006, 05:07 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Depends on just how volitale a fuel they use.
And I don't think they meant penetrating as in "armor penetrating", I think they meant penetrating as in "Made to go through a glass window and THEN go boom." |
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