 Rules Question: Armor and implants, do they count towards encumberance? |
 Mar 26 2006, 04:31 PM
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On page 149 are the rules for having too much armor and how it affects your Agility and Reaction. I was wondering if implants like Dermal Plating, Orthoskin, and Bone Lacing counted towards this limit?
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Mar 26 2006, 04:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
I am pretty sure they don't.
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Mar 26 2006, 04:38 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
it shouldn't (IMO). i'm not sure it ever explicitly mentions it, but if it is supposed to count, i'm sure it's at least competing for most common houserule to the game =P
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Mar 26 2006, 04:39 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
..only if you skin someone with Orthoskin and wear his skin.
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Mar 26 2006, 04:40 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 21-October 04 Member No.: 6,778 |
Why the hell do I find that so damn funny? :rotfl: Is there something wrong with me? :grinbig: |
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Mar 26 2006, 04:54 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
Yes, but that's okay, I'm sure you weren't the only one finding it funny.
<---guilty |
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Mar 26 2006, 07:18 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
..well, afterwards, the idea of a Twisted Way Adept hunting people for their skin crossed my mind... something like she believes that stitching it together with her own will make her invulnerable.
Given the armor values of leather, orthoskin and Mystic Armor (through Potency), that should get ugly pretty quickly. |
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Mar 26 2006, 10:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
I think that in SR3, the only implant that counted towards encumberance was bone lacing. And really, that stuff could F up your run bigtime, as it was one of the few things that actively showed up on metal detectors, and not just cyberware scanners.
Totally awesome stuff, though. |
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Mar 26 2006, 10:55 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 21-October 04 Member No.: 6,778 |
Okay, new question: How about shields (riot, ballistic and the like)? Would they count towards encumberance?
I personally don't think they would either, because they are not physically worn on the body or limbs (it's more an extension of the arm kinda) and their unwieldliness is already accounted for (-1 dice pool to any physical action performed while a shield is on your arm, page 317). |
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Mar 26 2006, 11:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
Truth be told, I haven't really looked at the encumberance rules. If you have to examine them, maybe you need to lighten up on your load or something.
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Mar 26 2006, 11:02 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
As far as i remember, shields do not count towards the limit.
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Mar 26 2006, 11:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
shields add to your existing armor. they most certainly do count towards your limit.
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Mar 26 2006, 11:11 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 21-October 04 Member No.: 6,778 |
Uh, I haven't even made a character yet. I'm the GM and I'm designing NPCs for the players to possibly encounter. |
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Mar 27 2006, 07:46 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Pretty clear, i think. |
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Mar 27 2006, 07:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 100 Joined: 10-March 06 Member No.: 8,355 |
Or hit him with a manabolt blast that vaporizes him entirely leaving his cyberwear neatly untouched |
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Mar 27 2006, 08:54 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 89 Joined: 29-January 06 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 8,210 |
I know on pg.339 it says Orthoskin and Dermal cannot be combined.
Does mystic armor combine with the above? |
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Mar 27 2006, 01:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
Bullpucky:
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Mar 27 2006, 06:30 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
You don't vaporize people with manabolts - you just kill them. Even if you did, ware is linked with essence and would be destroyed with the owner. If using an energy bolt, that would destroy his ware, too. |
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Mar 27 2006, 07:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
I agree that manabolts don't vaporize people, but cyberware will definitely react differently to damage than will flesh and blood, whether or not the damage is magically inflicted. |
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Mar 27 2006, 07:52 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
It just won't be 'neatly untouched'. ;)
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Mar 27 2006, 11:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
you don't have to stack the armor for it to encumber you. a human with body 3 wearing an armored jacket (8/6) is encumbered, whether or not they are wearing any other armor. so yes, it doesn't use armor stacking rules. but it still encumbers you. |
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Mar 27 2006, 11:26 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Well, it is not the shield that encumbers you, but the armor jacket.
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Mar 27 2006, 11:53 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
the shield still counts against the limit, even if only by adding to other existing armor.
or, for that matter, even if adding to nonexistant armor. |
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Mar 28 2006, 12:42 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
For purposes of figuring out encumberance, you use the base profile of the armor you're wearing. Things that provide armor bonuses (numbers that are expressed as +X/+Y) don't count towards this. This includes helmets, implants, magic spells, shields... if the armor value of an item is expressed as a bonus rather than a baseline rating, it isn't included in the calculation for encumberance.
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Mar 28 2006, 12:51 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
hmmm... i hadn't noticed that... could i get a page reference? |
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