Full Version: Rules Question: Armor and implants
On page 149 are the rules for having too much armor and how it affects your Agility and Reaction. I was wondering if implants like Dermal Plating, Orthoskin, and Bone Lacing counted towards this limit?
I am pretty sure they don't.
it shouldn't (IMO). i'm not sure it ever explicitly mentions it, but if it is supposed to count, i'm sure it's at least competing for most common houserule to the game =P
..only if you skin someone with Orthoskin and wear his skin.
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) |
| ..only if you skin someone with Orthoskin and wear his skin. |
Why the hell do I find that so damn funny?
Is there something wrong with me?
Yes, but that's okay, I'm sure you weren't the only one finding it funny.
<---guilty
<---guilty
..well, afterwards, the idea of a Twisted Way Adept hunting people for their skin crossed my mind... something like she believes that stitching it together with her own will make her invulnerable.
Given the armor values of leather, orthoskin and Mystic Armor (through Potency), that should get ugly pretty quickly.
Given the armor values of leather, orthoskin and Mystic Armor (through Potency), that should get ugly pretty quickly.
I think that in SR3, the only implant that counted towards encumberance was bone lacing. And really, that stuff could F up your run bigtime, as it was one of the few things that actively showed up on metal detectors, and not just cyberware scanners.
Totally awesome stuff, though.
Totally awesome stuff, though.
Okay, new question: How about shields (riot, ballistic and the like)? Would they count towards encumberance?
I personally don't think they would either, because they are not physically worn on the body or limbs (it's more an extension of the arm kinda) and their unwieldliness is already accounted for (-1 dice pool to any physical action performed while a shield is on your arm, page 317).
I personally don't think they would either, because they are not physically worn on the body or limbs (it's more an extension of the arm kinda) and their unwieldliness is already accounted for (-1 dice pool to any physical action performed while a shield is on your arm, page 317).
Truth be told, I haven't really looked at the encumberance rules. If you have to examine them, maybe you need to lighten up on your load or something.
As far as i remember, shields do not count towards the limit.
shields add to your existing armor. they most certainly do count towards your limit.
| QUOTE (Dissonance) |
| Truth be told, I haven't really looked at the encumberance rules. If you have to examine them, maybe you need to lighten up on your load or something. |
Uh, I haven't even made a character yet. I'm the GM and I'm designing NPCs for the players to possibly encounter.
| QUOTE (Rules @ p. 149) |
| Note that some armor items, like helmets and shields, provide a modifier to the worn armor rating and so do not count as stacked armor. |
Pretty clear, i think.
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) |
| ..only if you skin someone with Orthoskin and wear his skin. |
Or hit him with a manabolt blast that vaporizes him entirely leaving his cyberwear neatly untouched
I know on pg.339 it says Orthoskin and Dermal cannot be combined.
Does mystic armor combine with the above?
Does mystic armor combine with the above?
| QUOTE (Jaid) |
| shields add to your existing armor. they most certainly do count towards your limit. |
Bullpucky:
| QUOTE (SR4 pg 149) |
Note that some armor items, like helmets and shields, provide a modifier to the worn armor rating and so do not count as stacked armor. |
| QUOTE (Rooks) |
| Or hit him with a manabolt blast that vaporizes him entirely leaving his cyberwear neatly untouched |
You don't vaporize people with manabolts - you just kill them. Even if you did, ware is linked with essence and would be destroyed with the owner.
If using an energy bolt, that would destroy his ware, too.
| QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) | ||
You don't vaporize people with manabolts - you just kill them. Even if you did, ware is linked with essence and would be destroyed with the owner. If using an energy bolt, that would destroy his ware, too. |
I agree that manabolts don't vaporize people, but cyberware will definitely react differently to damage than will flesh and blood, whether or not the damage is magically inflicted.
It just won't be 'neatly untouched'. 
| QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) | ||||
Bullpucky:
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you don't have to stack the armor for it to encumber you.
a human with body 3 wearing an armored jacket (8/6) is encumbered, whether or not they are wearing any other armor.
so yes, it doesn't use armor stacking rules. but it still encumbers you.
Well, it is not the shield that encumbers you, but the armor jacket.
the shield still counts against the limit, even if only by adding to other existing armor.
or, for that matter, even if adding to nonexistant armor.
or, for that matter, even if adding to nonexistant armor.
For purposes of figuring out encumberance, you use the base profile of the armor you're wearing. Things that provide armor bonuses (numbers that are expressed as +X/+Y) don't count towards this. This includes helmets, implants, magic spells, shields... if the armor value of an item is expressed as a bonus rather than a baseline rating, it isn't included in the calculation for encumberance.
| QUOTE (Shrike30) |
| For purposes of figuring out encumberance, you use the base profile of the armor you're wearing. Things that provide armor bonuses (numbers that are expressed as +X/+Y) don't count towards this. This includes helmets, implants, magic spells, shields... if the armor value of an item is expressed as a bonus rather than a baseline rating, it isn't included in the calculation for encumberance. |
hmmm... i hadn't noticed that...
could i get a page reference?
Give me a few hours, i'm leaving work ATM.
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