 Lasers in SR4, no more zzt! for your runners |
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  Mar 31 2006, 02:06 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 87 Joined: 12-January 05 From: Brazil, RN, Natal (Also known as Amazonia) Member No.: 6,968  |
I just got my 4th edition copy and noticed that among the weapons (of course, it´s only the BBB, but it should display the most common and/or useful stuff) wasn´t any laser. I remember the Ares Laser MP (and his Fields of Fire cheaper version), and somebody told me that that was something called a Shiawase Redline (is it right).
Anyway, while I know that lasers guns and cyberpunk aren´t exactly compatible with each other, why there isn´t any in the 4th ed. (although there´s a microwave "pain inducer")? And while you´re on the subject, what should be the stats for a laser gun in SR 4? |
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Mar 31 2006, 02:28 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Because its the core book. There wernt lasers in the sr3 core book. Or the Sr2 book. Deal with it.
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Mar 31 2006, 02:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
Just take the damage level of a sniper rifle. use 8P till the book comes out.
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Mar 31 2006, 08:23 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 30-November 02 Member No.: 3,664 |
Lindt I think you are a little bit of a prick 'deal with it'? he was asking a simple question in plain english and you got to be a dork? wow you must be one of those billy no mates characters. I dont have 2nd ed and I sure as hell didnt know 3rd ed didnt have lasers in it either just because you snort the text dont be a cocky dick. I know that may be against nature but hey. To all I apologise for the use of language here but some people just get me so wound up. sorry to anyone it may offend......except Lindt that is.
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Mar 31 2006, 09:08 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
....and yet another honest thread gets hijacked.
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Mar 31 2006, 09:16 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Sweet, I de-lurked someone.
First off, hes in the wrong part of the board. Sr4 has its own special home. Second, yes, I am a prick. Third, Its generally considered bad form to launch straight into person insults before devolping your arguement. Fourth, Im not offended. |
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Apr 1 2006, 04:40 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
:please:
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Apr 1 2006, 04:45 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
A SR4 "laser" should probably have an extreme AP value, at least -10, because its a "laser".
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Apr 1 2006, 05:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
actualy, a laser does its damage via heat. as such, i would expect it to count as an elemental attack, versus half armor and reduced by 'shiney' armor mods.
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Apr 1 2006, 06:50 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Fifth, telling him to "deal with it" in such a manner was completely unecessary when he was asking an honest question. rozark, if you feel you have to apologize for a post, please don't make that post in the future. [this post has been 100% Administrator Content.] |
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Apr 1 2006, 06:54 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Lasers don't necessarily do their damage through heat. Here's a link to a site on LASIK surgery that briefly goes over "cool" lasers, which don't generate heat but can destroy tissue.
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Apr 1 2006, 07:02 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Rifts addresses this in a pretty nifty manner. Try hitting that Glitterboy with your Wilk's Pulse Rifle. :D |
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Apr 1 2006, 10:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 5-December 05 From: Crying in the wilderness Member No.: 8,047 |
It will proabliy be in the cannon comp equivelent, so its a wait and see..no sweat sir
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Apr 1 2006, 12:05 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 1-April 06 Member No.: 8,423 |
They have, in past editions been presented with other advanced rules in future supplements. I would imagine that we will see lasers along with miniguns and other Wiz toys in the weapons supplement. It was supposed to be called arsenal I think.
On a side note, I am getting ready to run a 4th ed game and 3 of my players expressed relief that lasers and miniguns were left out of the core rules. Yeah. Surprised me too. |
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Apr 2 2006, 12:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 314 Joined: 25-February 06 Member No.: 8,307 |
I half agree. The damage is because of the high energy transfer to the target, generally as heat, but I don't think I would 1/2 armor. The laser still has to burn through, so I would go wtih Hyz's high AP value instead, and use the "shiney" mods for anything reflective. (Security armor may not have a mirror finish, but I bet that visor does) :D |
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Apr 2 2006, 06:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 178 Joined: 4-September 05 Member No.: 7,682 |
In many other games, lasers are great at penetrating and maintaining accuracy (though not always power) at long range, but their total damage capacity is somewhat limited. Earlier SR versions gave the laser a high power and moderate damage level; I assume that this was to put a smallish hole (Moderate damage) through heavy armor (power levels in the teens).
I would imagine that the SR4 version will be low damage but high AP; somewhere between 3P/-8 and 5P/-12 as a guess. |
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Apr 2 2006, 02:06 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 30-November 02 Member No.: 3,664 |
Well the apology was boarderline sarcastic actually but hey. so theres a sr4 section I didnt know that guess I will have to deal with it.
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Apr 2 2006, 08:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 28 Joined: 28-May 02 Member No.: 2,792 |
According to the BBB, lasers are defended against using impact armour, and the value is halved as well.
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