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 Apr 3 2006, 02:47 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650  |
corporate shadowfiles lists Nestle as no longer existing
however on p12 in loose alliances it mentions them as a current food corp So did they reform? or is it revisionist history? |
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Apr 3 2006, 02:50 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
I'd figure that Nestle the proto mega corp collapsed.
Nestle the food corp survives and goes back to being just that not a power mad conglomerate beastie. |
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Apr 3 2006, 02:55 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
That changes EVERYTHING.
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Apr 3 2006, 03:11 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
You know... not everyone is as up to date on the fluff as we DSers. Not even those Fanpro guys (unless they are DSers themselves).
Come on, people make mistakes! Sh!t happens. What would be real back-to-the-future would be for Fanpro to resurrect Art after killing him with a Thor shot. (Then again with shedim around, maybe not) |
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Apr 3 2006, 03:27 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
You mean there are non-DSer authors? When did that happen?
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Apr 3 2006, 03:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Contrary to popular opinion, we're not all related either.
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Apr 3 2006, 03:40 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
nah shedimnotthat good
plastic surgery + P-Fix chip could make viable copies tho but to the main topic, that mistake is just an example of what I believe to be FanPro ignoring or marginalizing anything that occured before they took over SR |
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Apr 3 2006, 03:44 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Quite a few actually. Though I do believe all but a very few at least have accounts here. (I know a number that havent posed in ages, but at least have accounts)
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Apr 3 2006, 03:56 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
haven't posed in months? You mean tey aren't a bunch of full tome posers? :P :D :) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: |
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Apr 3 2006, 04:09 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
With over 100 Shadowrun books [plus the novels] available over the last 17 years, keeping track of everything [especially, in this case, when it's the *non*-existance of something] is pretty tricky. There is no concentrated effort from FanPro to ignore the history of the game, and most drafts undergo peer review before the formal editing/development process to try and catch these errors. It's getting a little easier now that we have more of the old texts available in searchable format, and we've been developing more internal "bible" resources to refer to, but Shadowrun is still a setting that sprawls over a lot of written material, and some things are going to fall through the cracks. |
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Apr 3 2006, 04:12 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
erh poasted. Postered? Postured? Pustered? Oh whatever... I give up, Ill go back to my lit. project and pray I make more sense in the morning.
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Apr 3 2006, 04:17 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I thought there was an official announcement that the SR/ED crossover plot lines where officially being severed.
To be honest I don’t blame them for that however, there are copyright issues. What will the agreement of the current ED owners be worth in 10 years, when copyright laws have changed and ED has changed ownership again? Although the explanation given was “we find the link restrictive” I don’t believe that because nothing has come out since that contradicted ED. |
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Apr 3 2006, 04:26 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Well, they solved JackBNimble...
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Apr 3 2006, 04:31 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
What did that end up being?
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Apr 3 2006, 04:52 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
With 1.5 million infants murdered annualy, clearly Nestle caught the attention of Aztechnology is now one of that mega's subsidiaries. As blood sacrifices go it is difficult to get better than that.
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Apr 3 2006, 07:40 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Over at rpg.net one of the RedBrick guys posted something about their ideas for a new push for ED/SR crossover. We'll see what the future will bring. But I doubt that the ED license will be handed over to another company in the next years. RB is doing good work and releasing a lot of PDFs in the last months. Plus their dead-trees will be printed on demand, so there the chance of making a loss are low. |
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Apr 3 2006, 08:21 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Or maybe you should check your references... See, the Loose Alliances writers actually did do their research and they got it right. While Corporate Shadowfiles does say Nestle disbanded in 2008, the Sioux chapter in the NAN books (remember those? FASA back in the "Golden Age" when the FASA writers could do no wrong) has Nestle around in the Sioux nation as late as 2053 (trying to corrupt some government officials)... So maybe next time you should check your facts? I know we do. Barring some oblique and obscure reference someone missed in Lone Star or Prime Runners, we make an effort to get it right. When writing SoE the authors thoroughly research canon about all the Eurocorps and realized that the only way for this one work consistently with the apparent contradiction in SR1 canon was for Nestle to have been bought out as a brand and become a subsidiary of a mega or rebuilt with help from the Swiss government between 2008-2053 - however it's such a minor aspect of the setting we didn't have space to give it more than a passing mention there (and later in Loose Alliances). Writers are human too, and we all fail and miss something once in a while but in this instance the continuity error dated back to the "Golden Age of FASA" and we attempted to fix it while sticking to canon. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. |
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Apr 3 2006, 01:17 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Well, considering that ED is owned by a company that most people consider "dead" and that the ED IP is being licensed out to two different small gaming publishers, it's not surprising that the situation around ED is just a little confusing to most people. :-) |
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Apr 3 2006, 01:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
:S That's a bit uncalled-for. |
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Apr 3 2006, 04:48 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Try bending your mind until it appears to you that it does indeed change everything. At that point you will be walking in the shoes of the most rabid fanboys that populate DSF. I would recommend against staying there too long as your heart will wither and your soul we be lost in perpetual misery as it becomes apparent that the required perfection simply will never come to pass because mere humans are being used for the task of creating SR products. So don't be fooled by Kremlin KOA being off about this particular canon minutia. He is still a rabid fanboy, and this level of detail does indeed matter to him and others. Or it is an excuse to shake an angry fist at Fanpro for the misery their soul endures. Or both. |
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Apr 3 2006, 04:50 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
it wasthe impression that several recent books gave me... I will admit Adam has turned my opinion around, and despite the hostility Synner has pointed out something in what are probably the 2 old books I never heavily read (NAN 1 and 2)
although the Aztechnology suggestion mentioned earlier makes the most sense (given that Aztechnology occupies roughly the same place in SR than Nestle Occupies IRL, human sacrifice and all.) my apologies if offended you Adam I still feel that Fanpro is trying to take SR in a new direction but I will spend more time hoping it will be a Star Trek TNG, and less fearing it will be a Yoko Ono special :P |
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Apr 3 2006, 04:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
oh and brahm, it was at least as much my RL loathing of everything Nestle as it was my rabidSR fanboyness
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Apr 3 2006, 05:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Was that the same part that gave you the nerve to berate Synner for his sacasism when you posted like a jerk to start with? Yes Synner should have kept it toned down. But surely you can comprehend how it would feel to have someone that puts a lot of effort and time into something having that effort belittled and discounted incorrectly. |
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Apr 3 2006, 05:38 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Not offended at all. The game industry has changed a lot since Shadowrun's early days, and Shadowrun keeps adapting along with it, both in terms of presentation and content; and internally, as in how books are designed and developed. With both real world changes and setting changes, obviously, not everyone is going to like every new thing [or every old thing!] |
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Apr 3 2006, 05:38 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,950 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
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