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May 10 2006, 05:00 AM
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#176
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 3-November 05 From: KCMO Member No.: 7,922 |
Emo, you are an evil little man...
btw, My character's icon is a badger from that site in a backwards baseball cap. I just had to laugh out loud.... |
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May 10 2006, 05:13 AM
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#177
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Do all hostile attack programs manifest as snakes when you run a reality filter?
And everybody, you can post on my character's bl0g if you want. Even FanGirl. :.(..... (Tears of loneliness) |
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May 10 2006, 05:25 AM
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#178
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 17-November 05 From: Halifax, Canada Member No.: 7,975 |
I posted a comment to your new IC discussion.. just to give some depth.
Wyrm probably won't touch on the subject of AI's, seeing as she's still leary of them since her encounters with Deus and his Otaku minions. Though - if she can remember - she had met Morgan and found her quite endearing.... BronzeWyrm's view on Resonance is that it lurks in the in-between hidden places of the Matrix, and cause she loves drugs, she'll probably think you're high when you talk about Resonance servers. Wyrm would probably be a good source of Matrix sub-culture (which shouldn't affect your game too much, to apease Emo) Unlike FanGirl, Wyrm's from a ganger campaign I play and is pretty much low grade as TM's go. (Thanks to the GM's gimped rule system) If you don't want me to comment any further FanGirl, say so and I'll take leave... I'll try not to rain too much on Emo's parade, the Matrix is filled with all kinds of views and opinions and - though NetSpeak filled - her views are pretty open. (probalby more open than mine as a player. ;) ) [edit] Don't worry Emo, I'll leave blog alone... |
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May 10 2006, 05:34 AM
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#179
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Dude, post IC if you want. He's supposed to generate hostile responses with his post.
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May 15 2006, 04:46 AM
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#180
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
May 14, 2006
Yesterday was our third session, and although K is all better now (apparently he had thought he had bruised his tailbone last week, though it actually turned out to be a sprained muscle near his tailbone) his girlfriend was ill and he felt obligated to keep her company on the phone, meaning that he still couldn’t come this time. In this latest session... (WARNING: LONG FRICKIN' STORY AHEAD) [ Spoiler ] So that's the story.Oh yeah, and I used cash-for-karma to buy 1 skill point in Con, then bought two new Rating 2 SINs: “Velma Kelly” and “Roxanna Hart.” Give yourself a cookie if you know what the names are a reference to. :D So . . .any thoughts? EDIT: Oh yeah, and I also got a pocket laser in case I need to burn things, and I registered a bunch of sprites because they're just so useful. :D EDIT2: Spoiler'd the part about the run, so you don't have slog through it if you don't want to. |
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May 15 2006, 05:44 AM
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#181
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 17-November 05 From: Halifax, Canada Member No.: 7,975 |
My bodyguard character Bronze had a no-kill policy. (he's a bodyguard after all, payed to preserve life, not to end it) I've been known to walk away from games where the GM - even after having been warned of my characters values - still wanted him to do wetwork.
Of course these were online IRC games, where it is easy to walk away from the game, so I can see your delema... it's different for a live group. I do wonder about the following: Being a rich corp kid, wouldn't he have a Doc Waggon contract? Could you approach the mage bodyguard and have the death faked? Being the Matrix guru FanGirl is, can you dig up blackmail material anyway, forcing the kid to go with option 2 or be exposed. Even after the 'fake death' is done the kid would still be forced to go into hiding cause you still have blackmail material on him. So this way the J can have his cake and you keep your morality clear of dirty deeds... |
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May 15 2006, 06:15 AM
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
And remember that the entire reason for the founding of the bar was that someone crashed through the roof of the house and survived; if they go with the idea to kill him, they'll have to think of a way to make the fall a little harder than usual.
And I'll make sure you want to kill him. Hehehehehehhhh... And the reason the media spectacle won't be nearly as lucrative if you do what you want to do is that the focus won't be on his bar; if he crashes and gets killed by something that shouldn't be there, the media's centered on the footage of his fall through the smiley face. If he gets caught attempting rape in an alley, the attention is fixed on a crying girl being walked to a car by her "uncle." And damn right you won't get much karma if you do this! :grr: |
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May 15 2006, 06:24 AM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 17-November 05 From: Halifax, Canada Member No.: 7,975 |
Well, his bodyguard is a mage... counterspelling the 'magic safeties' of the whole event would result in a very unpleasant landing....
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May 15 2006, 06:26 AM
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
I know, and I said "harder than usual." And if you remember the history of the bar, it originally was a normal house. The reason there's a smiley face on its roof is because someone crashed through the roof and survived and the owner wanted to dissuade anyone jumping with the smiley face. This became the gimmick that made this bar the big hit that it is. I started out the campaign with someone jumping without magical protections after the first guy and surviving; even if the kid was really weak, he'd have a 50/50 chance of survival. No splat, no :nuyen: .
And do you know the RL name of the bridge so I can awkwardly retcon it into the campaign? |
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May 15 2006, 06:48 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
Is that so? Hmm . . .how will you take away my belief in the inherent dignity of human life? Besides, I might just have an idea. Hehehehehehhhh...:P
It's the George Washington Memorial Bridge officially, but it is more commonly known as the Aurora Bridge. EDIT: There's a troll under it! That is so totally wiz! |
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May 15 2006, 07:10 AM
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
What about the inherent digninty of HIS human life?
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May 15 2006, 01:51 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Be hard to accomplish, but get the target to pay for faking his own death. Then you don't need to kill anyone, though you would need to get your hands on a dead body. Probably some laying around somewhere.
Johnsons pays for a spectacular death, target pays you to live, team gets more money for more effort (Which should motivate them, "We get more money if we don't actually kill anyone"). If you need to, blackmail the target into faking his own death. |
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May 15 2006, 02:00 PM
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15-April 06 Member No.: 8,468 |
Wetwork really should be optional... opportunities should be there of course so that players can go through the whole moral dilemma of doing it or no so it adds to character development and good roleplaying moments.
Someone that starts off very opposed to killing people may over the course of time realise that sometimes it's the lesser of two evils and vice versa. The team I run with we pretty much sat down and asked what we thought of wetwork and most of us had no problem with it. Hell we nearly offed a random bod because he looked enough like our mark that we could still get the reward for it. Either way if someone doesn't want to do it it's only fair to give them a chance to find a way of doing the job in a more pacifist way instead of forcing players into a situation where they would have to act OOC. |
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May 15 2006, 04:13 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
If CK's life lacks inherent dignity, then all human lives lack inherent dignity. And if FanGirl ever feels that way, she'll probably throw herself off that bridge. |
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May 15 2006, 04:26 PM
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Most people don't rape women when they're drunk.
Think of this as inherent human dignity versus inherent human dignity. He views his as arbitrarily more than that of others and seeks to degrade that of others. Are you to say that he is worth more than those he victimizes? :proof: |
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May 15 2006, 06:01 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
That's the dilemma of belief in human life. Some human lives make it really hard to follow up on. But there are always answers besides just killing them.
Of course, I'm a huge fan of the death penalty. I have to be, or they'd revoke my license to be a Texan, and when I read (in today's paper) about two girls (14 and 16) getting gang raped and slowly strangled to death by six guys I wanna be the guy that squeezes the syringe. I can defintely see the other side though, and it would be much better to try and fix someone's psychological issues that result in that behavior. |
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May 15 2006, 06:42 PM
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
That works if you have time, money, and a big fucking building to put them in. The runners don't have anything resembling that option.
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May 15 2006, 07:22 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
There are options available besides incarceration. Brainwashing takes a while. A cortex bomb designed to go off if he rapes somebody works pretty well, and takes away the murder aspect, replacing it with suicide. a personafix chip would totally change his outlook on life.
As a GM I'm used to having characters kill left and right, but I've always found the most interesting campaigns to be the ones where killing wasn't an option, either because of morality or practicality. |
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May 15 2006, 07:31 PM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I saw one of the ballsiest (or stupidest) things ever on the Aurora Bridge one day, and it made me think of Shadowrun when it happened. The bridge is 3 extremely tight lanes on each side, with only a double solid yellow line dividing the traffic going north from the traffic going south. The bridge is posted at 45 MPH, i think, but the usual speed is about 60 MPH. I was headed southbound across the bridge (which has an uphill incline in that direction) in the inside lane, (which means there's cars about 3 feet to my left going in the OTHER direction) at 430 PM on a weekday, so the road is just packed with cars. And then I hear this high-pitched engine noise coming up on my left side. A motorcyclist whipped by my car doing 90-100 on the center line between the two sides of the bridge, rattling the loose mirror on that side as he passed. I watched this guy disappear up the bridge and around the curve where it hits Queen Anne Hill, never letting off the throttle, shooting down a 3 foot trench between cars going opposite directions at a relative 120 miles an hour, dodging the occasional truck mirror and other fatal objects. And then behind me, about 50 yards back, I spotted the police lights from three different cruisers who were stuck behind all the traffic in front of them. I checked the police reports for the next couple of days, but as far as I can tell, they didn't catch the guy. Ballsy or stupid? I guess it depends on why he was running, more than anything else. But damn, if that wasn't cool. |
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May 15 2006, 07:36 PM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 19-December 05 From: Rhein-Ruhr Megaplex Member No.: 8,081 |
Damn, I like that troll. He is awesome ;).
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May 15 2006, 10:40 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
And Johnson views his own human dignity as more than that of CK, and seeks to degrade CK's dignity by having him die in a violent spectacle. Are you to say that he is worth more than CK? Furthermore, are you to say that FanGirl should accept Johnson's judgement of human worth, on who should live and who should die? Like me, FanGirl's read her Tolkien:
Just replace "Bilbo" with "FanGirl," "Frodo" with "Johnson," "ownership of the Ring" with "FanGirl's career," and "Gollum" with "Takashi Tanegawa" (CK's real name), then change the gender of the personal pronouns relating to FanGirl. Congratulations, you've got a passage that sums up FanGirl's attitude about the situation. (Now let's see you refute a friggin' Maiar.) |
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May 15 2006, 10:52 PM
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
At that point, Gollum was harmless; CK is not. This is his only really foolproof way of protecting his business, and morally, it makes no difference whether he has him killed in a back alley or in midair over a house. Since he is the original victim and this is the only way to end it, he is in the right.
This does not refute a maiar, since the situations are very different. |
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May 15 2006, 10:57 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I don't know the back story, but is death really the only way to end it? If it is, then I hope FanGirl walks away from the run in disgust and never works for that Johnson again, after having a long talk with her fixer about what sort of jobs she'll take.
But situations where death is the only recourse are rare, especially when you dremove self defense from the equeation, as this is obviously not a case of imminent deadly danger. |
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May 15 2006, 10:58 PM
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Hmmm.... maybe I'll find a way to put it back in.
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May 15 2006, 11:13 PM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,278 Joined: 15-April 05 Member No.: 7,336 |
I'd actually give a pacifist player more karma if they walked away from a killing job than if they stayed. I see no need to penalize someone for playing their character well. In fact, I think its worthy of a reward. |
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