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 May 3 2006, 05:39 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650  |
James: as Kage said, not a safe assumption
Kanada: as per SR3 such a client side system was already in place |
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May 3 2006, 05:47 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
I don't miss decking because everyone I know is NOT moving to 4. Now we see the point of having some things wireless. AR is cool but it is not everywhere, and the matrix is NOT wireless. <<must settle down and not get into rant mode.>> |
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May 3 2006, 05:53 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
The Matrix is wireless in third edition.
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May 3 2006, 05:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
There are rules for wireless connections in 3rd ed, but the matrix is not a wireless framework like in 4th.
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May 3 2006, 06:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Right, so obviously something occured in terms of communications, compression, etc. to ensure that data needs were being met by wireless transmission methods. |
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May 3 2006, 06:38 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
So you're problem is that the third world is creating a modular wireless network rather than laying thousands of miles of cable? A wireless network is already forming, a mere thirty years after the basic technology was created. Here, today, now. Cell towers, satellites, bluetooth.
I think the fact that SR has moved away from being based on crap fiction and is based more on a relatable world is somehow a problem for people. Of course, the problem is nostalgia more than some BS failure to suspend disbelief. |
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May 3 2006, 06:50 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
My problem is that SR has moved away from being based on crap fiction that coincidentally ended up, in several places, to coincide with reality to being based on crap fiction that has no fucking clue what it's talking about.
If "defying even more rules of physics for unimportant reasons" somehow equals "more relatable" for you, I'm not sure there's any way to productively discuss this. ~J |
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May 3 2006, 06:58 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
KAge, I'm unsure there's any way to productively discuss this anyway. It's pretty obvious that you won't be changing your stance (nor will a lot of oldtimers who dislike the new wireless world). The odds are also pretty good that I (and those like me) won't change our stance, as we really like the new wireless world.
The fact of the matter is though, the average gamer doesn't care a lot about physics, they want a world they can suspend disbelief enough to play in. A world that is, however superficially, set in our future but does not conform tot he things you expect to see in our future, loses large chunks of that believability. |
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May 3 2006, 07:02 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i dunno. i like the wireless stuff, and i like realism. i just don't view the obstacles presented as being insurmountable. i will agree, however, that the move from poorly-researched but basically believable scifi to wholly insane scifi is lamentable.
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May 3 2006, 07:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I'd say that it wasn't really all that big of a move.
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May 3 2006, 07:34 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
for the wireless stuff? no, not a huge jump. in other (technomancer) areas, though (technomancers), i can't even (technomancers) think about it without (technomancers) trying to claw out my own (technomancers) eyes.
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May 3 2006, 07:38 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Rumors that Nebis may have a second name with even more dread power are as yet unsubstantiated.
~J |
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May 3 2006, 07:54 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
You can't seriously be suggesting that the portrayal of cyberspace and the physics of the Matrix make in sense in any edition? They don't, at any point, even begin to work how computers can even possibly work. Some moron thought holographic memory meant code would be /shaped/ in /3D space/ to resemble physical objects! Come on!
And no, technomancers don't make sense. They're some kind of anti-magic that projects into hyperspace which is somehow a reflection of the technological dream world. This post has been edited by Kanada Ten: May 3 2006, 07:57 PM |
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May 3 2006, 07:55 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
mfb: What about Otaku? Or Mages? Why were they ok but technomancers aren't?
Kage: huh? |
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May 3 2006, 07:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
No ... my problem is the entire architechture of the world has changed from wired to wireless. I am not saying wireless is not going to exist, I am saying there is place for it, and that place is a supplemental layer on top of a wired faster layer. Wireless is not going to be the exclusive standard, but a level on top of that does the majority of its heavy traffic routing to other cities / hubs through a wired layer. If you want to get a signal from 1 end of the country to the other, it is a great deal faster to use fibre than microwave/satelite. With a completely wireless world the problems that we see now with zombie networks and spammers will increase exponentially. I like the idea of walking into a starbucks and seeing the menu on my glasses as I wait in line. I think logging in wirelessly is super awesome, but a 100% saturation of wireless would cause an insane number of problems. The problems of today with spam and exploits will not just go away. "But my comm has a firewall on it and I am sandboxed", argument doesn't hold any water. There are so many bugs and flaws in hardware/software, and those will evolve. The number of frequencies we are using for transmissions is growing everyday. I can see those becoming saturated in 25 years., and whammo, we are right back to a wired layer, because of transmission rates. A good example is a cordless phone. Many people are running into conflicts with neighbours because of the number of available channels are limited. |
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May 3 2006, 07:59 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
Cyberspace is a constructed environment, like MMO's are. You can tweak the physics as you please. They use symbolism to represent different appliances and systems. What is hard to comprehend? the objects in cyberspace are modular refactored snippets of code or subroutines, kind of like dropping objects together in VB. |
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May 3 2006, 08:02 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I'm not sure I disagree with that, but even a wired backbone with ubiquitous hubs would result in the same effect.
I agree that spammers and zombies won't go away, but that's not really a turn off for me. The ability to eliminate my TV, phone, computer, radio, and the rest of my entertainment center (not to mention the ability to post on DS while on the can) with a little watch and a pair of glasses makes that worth it. More than worth it. IMO, of course. |
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May 3 2006, 08:02 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
Otaku were created for anime appeal. they took decking naked, pumped it full of munchkin steriods and shredded a really cool concept so now there would be an archtype for min/maxers. |
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May 3 2006, 08:04 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
That version of cyberspace you posted is not the original one, it's the one we've forced into the game because it makes a semblance of logic.
The original version is why they call creating a physical shape "scultping" the Matrix. |
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May 3 2006, 08:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
See, some change is good. ;) |
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May 3 2006, 08:15 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
What the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some? The Denver Boxed Set came out in 1994. Not only was that significantly before the only thing even vaguely similar to that in anime I can think of (1998's Serial Experiments Lain), it's also well before anime worked itself into anything resembling widespread popularity (though Akira was making inroads at the time).
Compared to this, I am. The portrayal of cyberspace has always been pretty stupid, but it has been that way not because what was designed was gratuitously impossible, but because most of the time there was no practical reason to build a system that way. Just because one thing is bad doesn't mean another thing can't be a whole hell of a lot worse.
I'm not mfb but I'll answer anyway. Mages are ok because they are (and get ready, 'cause you're about to see a theme here) impossible but with a definite purpose. There is a clear reason to include magic, it's a conscious decision to add a fantastical element. Likewise Otaku who, better yet, don't even violate laws of physics (biology and neurology are another matter entirely). They even made sure you knew they didn't just accept light into their brains somehow and shoot it out—they included a piece of gear for the purpose. Some actual thought went into it, if not a huge amount. Compare with Technomancers with their brain-radios. ~J |
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May 3 2006, 08:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 |
The wired backbones are not affected by atmospheric phenomenon, and can channel so much more data. wired glasses, just plug in with your jack. or comm in 4 |
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May 3 2006, 08:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
They are no more impossible then reading peoples' minds and shooting fire from your fingertips. They serve a direct purpose, that of helping the team to interface with the matrix in a fantastical way. |
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May 3 2006, 09:02 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
you're absolutely right, McMurray. brain radios are just as feasible as reading peoples' minds and shooting fire from your fingertips--which is to say, they're completely infeasible unless there's magic involved. with otaku, you basically just say that they're a very specialized type of savant.
as for otaku being something out of anime... what anime have you been smoking? |
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May 3 2006, 09:26 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I'm glad we agree on the feasability of technomancers in a scifi/fantasy game. ;)
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