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post May 12 2006, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE (L.D @ May 11 2006, 11:17 PM)
If you want to compare to the change to SR4, then imagine that FanPro said that instead of playing in 2070 SR4 would take place in 2021 with no goblinization, no orks and people changing into elves, dwarfs and trolls in 2012 (and more shit like that).

If they would do THAT then I would start collecting money from all DS’ers so that we could buy the rights for the Shadowrun RPG and make our own Shadowrun game – SR5 with a HUUGE disclaimer telling future gamers that SR4 never existed and that it was just a myth.

But that's what M$ is doing with the computer game and that's why so many people (including me) are so upset.
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post May 12 2006, 08:17 AM
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Sorry I've been gone for such a long time.

I watch the trailer and was confused by the resurrect spell, then died inside when I saw the teleport (my thought was... that's not possible... not even for magic).

Delving furthing into this.... there's no word to discribe what this is.

I have but one question....

When are we sending in the teams?
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post May 12 2006, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (L.D)
QUOTE (The Jopp @ May 12 2006, 08:37 AM)
QUOTE (L.D @ May 11 2006, 11:17 PM)
If you want to compare to the change to SR4, then imagine that FanPro said that instead of playing in 2070 SR4 would take place in 2021 with no goblinization, no orks and people changing into elves, dwarfs and trolls in 2012 (and more shit like that).

If they would do THAT then I would start collecting money from all DS’ers so that we could buy the rights for the Shadowrun RPG and make our own Shadowrun game – SR5 with a HUUGE disclaimer telling future gamers that SR4 never existed and that it was just a myth.

But that's what M$ is doing with the computer game and that's why so many people (including me) are so upset.

Exactly, so we should buy the license from MS and make a REAL SR RPG with aHUUGE disclaimer that the MS game never existed. :grinbig:

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And you think I am NOT upset? :(
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post May 12 2006, 08:18 AM
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LOL... yeah... that'll happen. Good idea though.

I didn't know if you had read about the new game.
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post May 12 2006, 08:43 AM
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LOL... yeah... that'll happen. Good idea though.

I didn't know if you had read about the new game.

Seen the ads, seen the forums, seen the gawdawful screenshots. Then I cried…

A shadowrun FPS for me would need essences from the following games:

Deus Ex 1 & 2 (Cyberpunk, nanites, hacking etc)
System Shock 2 (FPS Hacking, Evil AI’s, scary athmosphere)
F.E.A.R (Supernatural happenings and really, really scary things)
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post May 12 2006, 08:45 AM
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So, since this game is significantly lacking in Shadowrun essence, can we call it a cyberzombie? :D
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post May 12 2006, 08:52 AM
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I'd prefer to call it: "The Abomination"

Or perhaps "Shadowrun: Just kidding"
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post May 12 2006, 08:53 AM
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So, since this game is significantly lacking in Shadowrun essence, can we call it a cyberzombie? :D

Nope, since it is made and controlled by an evil force we should call it a Shedim - M$hedim :grinbig:
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post May 12 2006, 08:58 AM
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ROFLMAO
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post May 12 2006, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ May 12 2006, 03:53 AM)
QUOTE (Laser @ May 12 2006, 08:45 AM)
So, since this game is significantly lacking in Shadowrun essence, can we call it a cyberzombie? :D

Nope, since it is made and controlled by an evil force we should call it a Shedim - M$hedim :grinbig:

:rotfl:

They've often been compared to the borg, which are sort of distant relatives of the cyberzombie...
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post May 12 2006, 09:14 AM
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hmm, over on slashdot they still use the bill gates of borg image to indicate microsoft-related news...
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post May 12 2006, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ May 12 2006, 12:09 AM)
But, you see, Adam West was excellent in the role. He pulled it off in a way that most other people couldn't (George Clooney, if I ever see you I will ask for my money back). Camp isn't easy to do well. Adam did it well.

Now, it isn't just that Shadowrun is bastardized. It is that what we have been shown doesn't look link anything but standard genre fare. If it has the quality and appeal of Adam West's Batman then mor epower to them. I havn't seen anything to suggest that it will. This looks more like the Batman and Robin of Shadowrun.

Maybe I've been out of the shooter scene too long, and i never played all the mods, but moving through normally solid walls, floors, and ceilings strikes me as very different. As do the res rules. "The rules of combat have changed" is at least a little bit more than an empty tagline.

Sure through the wall sensors have been done. And movement somewhat like what the glider does has been done, as has the purchase of equipment (the Essense cost might be a bit of a twist). But I think this game is actually taking a real risk with the teleport and res. I don't know if it will work, but it definately has the potential to differentiate itself in the market.

For better or for worse. So they still have room to pull off an Adam West....or, you know, not and fall flat on their face.

P.S. The teleport really changes the flow of the map for those that have it, and indirectly for those that don't. So one of the things i suspect that feature will do is create a higher "knowledge of the map" advantage, which i philosophically don't like. It will though create a real mental challenge to thinking about the map in that new way. I suspect it will be quite entertaining to sit in spectator mode and watch in action someone that is really skillful and knows the map well.
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post May 12 2006, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (Dranem @ May 12 2006, 02:32 AM)
I can't beleive Kanada Ten actually posted that he would play this game! Have you no shame in actually showing interest in this falacy?!

Sure, it sucks that this is their best effort, but, if I get an XBox, playing a Shadowrun squad based FPS with my step-daughter & co. while she's in California is better than having to play a Counter-Strike squad based FPS. It's all relative.
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post May 12 2006, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE (L.D)
I'd prefer to call it: "The Abomination"

Or perhaps "Shadowrun: Just kidding"

I'm calling it ShadowStrike.
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post May 12 2006, 03:42 PM
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Two really real shadowrun fans just talking about the game, all real like. Honestly.
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post May 12 2006, 03:54 PM
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I found this. It may be of interest.

http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/e3/index.html

Lower-right hand corner, the 'sneak peak'. I am unsure if this is different from other trailers posted elsewhere.
Warning: this post is probably fairly time-sensitive, and I have no idea how long the link will be relevant.
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post May 12 2006, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
Two really real shadowrun fans just talking about the game, all real like. Honestly.

Man, I was totally wrong about this game. It's going to rock! Whats ur gamertag/ nebis nebis nebis nebis nebis…
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post May 12 2006, 04:34 PM
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To be fair, the guy bashing on the game is as much of a dork as the guy saying it'll be great. :)
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post May 12 2006, 04:38 PM
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You expected something else from a plant? I'm not usually one to claim astroturfing, but if that's a genuine conversation I'm Arnold Palmer.

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post May 12 2006, 04:52 PM
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Ok... I can say nothing other then how can anyone in their right mind would even think about considering that game even remotely related to SR other then name, is beyond me. I hope that someone with half a brain will eventually buy the rights from Microsoft for SR so we can all enjoy SR without having a bunch of our friends over to dirty up our houses
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post May 12 2006, 04:52 PM
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I don't know if it's real, I don't really care, and I know it's stupid and immature, but this made me laugh:
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derggedddy duuurrrrrr, dep duppedy doo da whhhoooppaaahhhaaaa I'm 14  blah blah bum dum Shadowrun is cool derkydy derk!!!!
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post May 12 2006, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (TimeKeeper)

When are we sending in the teams?

Drop Bear team ? :rotate:

That might not be enough, but it could shake them a bit.
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post May 12 2006, 09:25 PM
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P.S. The teleport really changes the flow of the map for those that have it, and indirectly for those that don't. So one of the things i suspect that feature will do is create a higher "knowledge of the map" advantage, which i philosophically don't like. It will though create a real mental challenge to thinking about the map in that new way. I suspect it will be quite entertaining to sit in spectator mode and watch in action someone that is really skillful and knows the map well.

Teleportation isn't new at all. Unreal Tournament 2003 did teleportation. Teleportiation isn't innovative at all. In fact, it is one of the easiest features to impliment in a FPS due to the very nature of video games. In games that neglect to disable the debug console teleportation is a rather common console cheat. Tele only problem with teleportation in an arena game is getting the co-ordinates right, which is why it is usually limited to preset pods, LOS, or a marked location. Without such limitation it would be possible for a player to teleport outside of the arena by accident or intent.

The Tree of Life spell, likewise, is just a healing station. Even the ressurect spell is just a modification of a genre trope. Medic characters are not uncommon in FPS games the difference is that in this case the medic can heal characters with 0HP and the charactrs will die if the medic dies.
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post May 12 2006, 09:43 PM
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Just plain teleportation isn't new. But that's all fixed point or pre-setting waypoint teleportation. In UT 2003 you have to toss the marker out to set the target, which makes going through walls and traveling straight vertically very difficult unless you can rebound the marker off something to get it there. Or you dropped the marker and then run away and use the teleporter to get back.

The tree isn't that big a deal. But the medic continuing to be linked with the ressurected patient (apparently indefinately), including the fact that this is limited by both the medic's implants and prior ressurections, is new AFAIK and that is an interesting difference. Even just bringing back the fallen where they dropped (unless they were gibbed it would seem) is fairly different.
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post May 12 2006, 09:49 PM
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Woh, that guy on the Shadowrun thread defending the game cause it's graphics are good is a moron. Has he not seen the in-game videos? They look nothing like the trailer

This game does nothing new AND shits on our beloved Shadowrun. I wish to incite violence against it's distribution

PS The guys who would suck MS's balls for making SR minesweeper don't sound like SR players at all
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