LingaSofts, Using them for something different... |
LingaSofts, Using them for something different... |
Jun 1 2006, 07:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 2-November 05 From: New York Member No.: 7,920 |
Given that LingaSofts will allow you to speak in the language that is coded in them, then there must be versions that allow you to speak in your normal language but insert a code into it that would be only decoded by someone else that had the same coded lingasoft, as per normal steganography. I know that people do this all the time, assigning known items in a shop for instance to what ever misdeed they are planning, but a lingasoft would allow you to easily change and modify the code so even with prolonged survalence the code would be very had to crack. It would also allow a group to discuss things in relative public surrounding (such as a bar)
Changing : "You know that thing we did that time, I think that the someone that had a hand in it is coming back" to: "I know that it may look like my normal watch, but if you look again you'll see that it is a new one, it's blue, and the hands are changable" What do you think? |
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Jun 1 2006, 07:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
This is essentially slang, which is where dialects come from. If you designed customied linguasofts for it, sure. Provided you could get someone else to take the soft and slot it.
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Jun 1 2006, 07:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
good idea. in theory. in practice however, anyone who wants actual use of this kind of thing is going to either have to code it themselves, or buy it from a shadow-source and hope that not too many others use their version.
It would probably be easier in practice to grab a copy of something very obscure linguisticaly, possibly a dead language, to hold the conversation in. the downside of all this, is your going to have trouble including the mages in the conversation ;) |
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Jun 1 2006, 08:06 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 2-November 05 From: New York Member No.: 7,920 |
I was thinking more than just a dialect, but a full steganographic system that would be resistant to both statistical and lingistic analysis.
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Jun 1 2006, 08:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
You want a linguasoft for Thieves' Cant. Fun idea.
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Jun 1 2006, 08:17 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Sure, it could provide an encryption rating for your conversations. But really, that's all it is. You can just as easily hold encrypted conversations using wireless. A neat trick would be to combine crypticsoft speech and encrypted transmissions, then require one have both parts of the message to understand it. Or just use one as the decoy. Obviously distribution of the crypticsofts is the hard part.
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Jun 1 2006, 08:30 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Hmm, this brings up the idea of talking in other completely crazy coded languages, provided 2 peple have the same linguasoft.
You could talk in Binary, Hexadecimal, Morse or an entirely made up language (like twins sometimes do as children). Great for covert communication, if sometimes a bit slow (binary would take for ever!) |
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Jun 1 2006, 08:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
011110010110010101110011001000000110100101110100001000000111011101101111011101010110110001100100
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Jun 1 2006, 08:46 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
01001001 01101101 01100001 01100111 01101001 01101110 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01101001 01110100 01101000 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110011 01101111 01110101 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01101110 00100000 01100100 01110010 01100001 01110111 01101100
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Jun 1 2006, 09:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275 |
Fortunately Mages can access linguasofts via trodes and a commlink. EDIT: And a sim module. |
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Jun 1 2006, 09:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 06 From: San Francisco Member No.: 8,275 |
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Jun 1 2006, 09:21 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 2-November 05 From: New York Member No.: 7,920 |
I wondered why it was junk text till I found the bug in my script which inverted the bits :)
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Jun 1 2006, 09:24 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
OMG, in the mirror that spells "NERPS".
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Jun 1 2006, 09:40 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Heh. I use Kinesics for something similar so that they can communicate without anyone really knowing that they're discussing a run and not the weather. Well, another social adept might figure out something is off, but that's about it without constant study. |
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Jun 1 2006, 10:44 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
Sounds alot like you just need an active skill called "Inuendo" like in D&D.
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Jun 1 2006, 11:03 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
CP2020 had linguasofts that consisted of the language you spoke randomized... each word in the language was replaced by a random other word from the dictionary. Sounds like you're speaking gibberish, as even the sentence structures don't make sense. But to one of the other guys in your group who also had that soft chipped, you were speaking completely intelligibly.
These were randomized at purchase, so each set of chips was unique (or at least as unique as you can get with 30k+ random pairings). Pretty cool idea. |
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Jun 1 2006, 11:06 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, anyone seen the newish children of dune miniseries?
in a scene there, two ladys have a coversation, but at the same time doing sign language about a totaly diffrent topic ;) confusing as hell when the text have nothing to do with whats spoken :P |
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Jun 2 2006, 07:33 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
It would be a simple (if time consuming) procedure to write a program that would churn out artificial languages or coded slang at the push of a button. They could be decrypted as any other form of encryption but you would need a significant sample of conversation to try.
The bene geserat sign language. A butiful concept. You threw me for awhile, that seen was I think in the book children of dune, wich is not one of the new dune books (being the 3rd buy Frank Herbert, he got to 6 before dying and his sun has done 7 more which would be called resent) I’m assuming you are referring to the video miniseries. There was only one significant problem with that series, the freemen had unmarked faces. But the still-suit nose plugs where still shown. Even the beautiful Chani and the children themselves should have had calluses from using them. |
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Jun 2 2006, 08:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 3-May 06 From: On the Run Member No.: 8,521 |
Ahh... secret languages. :D
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Jun 2 2006, 09:41 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Good ole Matador series by Steve Perry.
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Jun 2 2006, 10:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 3-May 06 From: On the Run Member No.: 8,521 |
Damn right! :D
One of the best damn sci-fi series evah! When I first discovered SR I imported alot of the stuff from the series... the Siblings, Fugue, etc. |
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Jun 2 2006, 01:27 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I had a rule thought about coded linguasoft languages. A listener would roll Intuition + "Original Language" against a Threshold of the soft's Rating in an extended test (say 5 minute interval). Success means the listener knows a code is in use, with net successes giving him or her a better idea of what the "gist" is. ?
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Jun 2 2006, 01:44 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
That is cool |
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Jun 2 2006, 04:09 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
The problem with a simple 'word replacement' coded linguasoft is that most words are used over and over again. Once a listener gets over the nonsense factor, some frequency analysis tool should give you a lot of the substitutions. How many depends on the amount of recorded conversation, of course.
A 'completely obfuscated' linguasoft which translates your speach into 'legal english' would require much more effort, but probably still be well within the abilities of SR software. However a linguasoft able to encode your speach as legal english and have in make sense in the context of the fabricated converstaion that you are having with other coded linguasoft users is probably too much effort. |
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Jun 2 2006, 05:16 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
I like this idea best, it's original and creative. |
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