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post Jun 1 2006, 07:56 PM
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Given that LingaSofts will allow you to speak in the language that is coded in them, then there must be versions that allow you to speak in your normal language but insert a code into it that would be only decoded by someone else that had the same coded lingasoft, as per normal steganography. I know that people do this all the time, assigning known items in a shop for instance to what ever misdeed they are planning, but a lingasoft would allow you to easily change and modify the code so even with prolonged survalence the code would be very had to crack. It would also allow a group to discuss things in relative public surrounding (such as a bar)

Changing :

"You know that thing we did that time, I think that the someone that had a hand in it is coming back"

to:

"I know that it may look like my normal watch, but if you look again you'll see that it is a new one, it's blue, and the hands are changable"

What do you think?

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post Jun 1 2006, 07:59 PM
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This is essentially slang, which is where dialects come from. If you designed customied linguasofts for it, sure. Provided you could get someone else to take the soft and slot it.
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post Jun 1 2006, 07:59 PM
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good idea. in theory. in practice however, anyone who wants actual use of this kind of thing is going to either have to code it themselves, or buy it from a shadow-source and hope that not too many others use their version.

It would probably be easier in practice to grab a copy of something very obscure linguisticaly, possibly a dead language, to hold the conversation in.

the downside of all this, is your going to have trouble including the mages in the conversation ;)
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post Jun 1 2006, 08:06 PM
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I was thinking more than just a dialect, but a full steganographic system that would be resistant to both statistical and lingistic analysis.
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post Jun 1 2006, 08:12 PM
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You want a linguasoft for Thieves' Cant. Fun idea.
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post Jun 1 2006, 08:17 PM
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Sure, it could provide an encryption rating for your conversations. But really, that's all it is. You can just as easily hold encrypted conversations using wireless. A neat trick would be to combine crypticsoft speech and encrypted transmissions, then require one have both parts of the message to understand it. Or just use one as the decoy. Obviously distribution of the crypticsofts is the hard part.
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post Jun 1 2006, 08:30 PM
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Hmm, this brings up the idea of talking in other completely crazy coded languages, provided 2 peple have the same linguasoft.

You could talk in Binary, Hexadecimal, Morse or an entirely made up language (like twins sometimes do as children). Great for covert communication, if sometimes a bit slow (binary would take for ever!)
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post Jun 1 2006, 08:38 PM
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011110010110010101110011001000000110100101110100001000000111011101101111011101010110110001100100
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post Jun 1 2006, 08:46 PM
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post Jun 1 2006, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (Teulisch @ Jun 1 2006, 02:59 PM)
the downside of all this, is your going to have trouble including the mages in the conversation ;)

Fortunately Mages can access linguasofts via trodes and a commlink.
EDIT: And a sim module.
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post Jun 1 2006, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (nezumi)
01001001 01101101 01100001 01100111 01101001 01101110 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01101001 01110100 01101000 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110011 01101111 01110101 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01101110 00100000 01100100 01110010 01100001 01110111 01101100

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post Jun 1 2006, 09:21 PM
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I wondered why it was junk text till I found the bug in my script which inverted the bits :)
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post Jun 1 2006, 09:24 PM
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OMG, in the mirror that spells "NERPS".
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post Jun 1 2006, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (vipox)
Given that LingaSofts will allow you to speak in the language that is coded in them, then there must be versions that allow you to speak in your normal language but insert a code into it that would be only decoded by someone else that had the same coded lingasoft, as per normal steganography. I know that people do this all the time, assigning known items in a shop for instance to what ever misdeed they are planning, but a lingasoft would allow you to easily change and modify the code so even with prolonged survalence the code would be very had to crack. It would also allow a group to discuss things in relative public surrounding (such as a bar)

Heh. I use Kinesics for something similar so that they can communicate without anyone really knowing that they're discussing a run and not the weather. Well, another social adept might figure out something is off, but that's about it without constant study.
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post Jun 1 2006, 10:44 PM
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Sounds alot like you just need an active skill called "Inuendo" like in D&D.
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post Jun 1 2006, 11:03 PM
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CP2020 had linguasofts that consisted of the language you spoke randomized... each word in the language was replaced by a random other word from the dictionary. Sounds like you're speaking gibberish, as even the sentence structures don't make sense. But to one of the other guys in your group who also had that soft chipped, you were speaking completely intelligibly.

These were randomized at purchase, so each set of chips was unique (or at least as unique as you can get with 30k+ random pairings). Pretty cool idea.
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post Jun 1 2006, 11:06 PM
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hmm, anyone seen the newish children of dune miniseries?

in a scene there, two ladys have a coversation, but at the same time doing sign language about a totaly diffrent topic ;)

confusing as hell when the text have nothing to do with whats spoken :P
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post Jun 2 2006, 07:33 AM
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It would be a simple (if time consuming) procedure to write a program that would churn out artificial languages or coded slang at the push of a button. They could be decrypted as any other form of encryption but you would need a significant sample of conversation to try.

The bene geserat sign language. A butiful concept.

You threw me for awhile, that seen was I think in the book children of dune, wich is not one of the new dune books (being the 3rd buy Frank Herbert, he got to 6 before dying and his sun has done 7 more which would be called resent)

I’m assuming you are referring to the video miniseries.

There was only one significant problem with that series, the freemen had unmarked faces. But the still-suit nose plugs where still shown. Even the beautiful Chani and the children themselves should have had calluses from using them.

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post Jun 2 2006, 08:26 AM
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Ahh... secret languages. :D

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In the Tir, as in other parts of the world, the word had taken on a different meaning from the musical term from which it had come. An adept in conversational fugue was an expert in, literally, double-talk. When a fugue master spoke, it would mean something else entirely. Like a game of Go, fugue could be as complex as the speaker's ability allowed. The simplest of phrases could carry worlds of meaning, and a fugue player used not only words, but inflection, tone, body language and gestures to enhance his- play. Two experts ostensibly talking about the weather could well be carrying on a conversation about particle physics—not that anybody of lesser ability in the art could understand them.

Fugue had arisen partially in response to the technological advances in lie-detection gear. When multi-channel stress analyzers and electrophy equipment were brought to bear, it was nearly impossible- to prevaricate and not, be detected. Since such machineries could be utilized without the subject's- knowledge in many cases,, those- in the public eye had learned to speak a thousand shading, of the truth.. Even, a simple- yes-or-no question might be fielded, as one wished by a. skillful rendering of strict truth. "Do-you know, where this, wanted criminal is?" could be answered negatively-, by using precise thought patterns: "No," and. the unspoken tag line, "I don't know where he is at this moment." Such questions required more precision on the part of the questioner: "Did you know where he was at seven hundred hours local time this morning?" to be countered by, "No." Not exactly. I knew about where, but you didn't ask that…
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post Jun 2 2006, 09:41 AM
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Good ole Matador series by Steve Perry.
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post Jun 2 2006, 10:03 AM
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Damn right! :D

One of the best damn sci-fi series evah!

When I first discovered SR I imported alot of the stuff from the series... the Siblings, Fugue, etc.

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post Jun 2 2006, 01:27 PM
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I had a rule thought about coded linguasoft languages. A listener would roll Intuition + "Original Language" against a Threshold of the soft's Rating in an extended test (say 5 minute interval). Success means the listener knows a code is in use, with net successes giving him or her a better idea of what the "gist" is. ?
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post Jun 2 2006, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE (Glayvin34)

:rotfl:
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Here's a link for anyone that wants/needs to translate.

That is cool
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post Jun 2 2006, 04:09 PM
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The problem with a simple 'word replacement' coded linguasoft is that most words are used over and over again. Once a listener gets over the nonsense factor, some frequency analysis tool should give you a lot of the substitutions. How many depends on the amount of recorded conversation, of course.

A 'completely obfuscated' linguasoft which translates your speach into 'legal english' would require much more effort, but probably still be well within the abilities of SR software.

However a linguasoft able to encode your speach as legal english and have in make sense in the context of the fabricated converstaion that you are having with other coded linguasoft users is probably too much effort.



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post Jun 2 2006, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE (Shrike30)
CP2020 had linguasofts that consisted of the language you spoke randomized... each word in the language was replaced by a random other word from the dictionary. Sounds like you're speaking gibberish, as even the sentence structures don't make sense. But to one of the other guys in your group who also had that soft chipped, you were speaking completely intelligibly.

These were randomized at purchase, so each set of chips was unique (or at least as unique as you can get with 30k+ random pairings). Pretty cool idea.

I like this idea best, it's original and creative.
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