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uh, chummer, it's been an open secret since at least '52 that "Ford" is just a name now and the corp is owned by a holding company out of the Carrib League.
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Oct 16 2003, 06:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 263 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 616 |
That, my dear Fox, is nitpicking. Most men are weakwilled and well you know it. When a welldressed female enter a complex, the male's free will leaves and his primal urges takes over. Please, dear, you have seen it, experienced it and yet you say you haven't messed with a male's free will?! Nitpicking and well you know it... Besides, it isn't my problem if they are spineless sniveling little cretins out to get blown away... derisive sniff Let them grow a spine... Your POV seems to say to me that you do not think of M'Lady Mantis as a totem. Yet therein lies a contradiction:
Possessed by Mantis?? I beg to differ. I was chosen by her and I Recognized a part of me in her and she in me. Possession, indeed... derisive sniff I have offspring of my own and a lifemate who is wise. Mantis and I have made a Pact. Why take meta/humans when you can breed like meta/humans do? Toyota salesman, used car salesman.. derisive sniff Please, Fox, some style and grace would be more suitable from you.. This is so guttersnipish... sniff |
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Oct 16 2003, 07:26 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Very true, as i said, the current guides are showing completeness and gathering their followers. Is the incubus evil, or merely hungry? Where do you define the difference? Those who seek to declare some methods of gathering "good" and others "bad" are merely trying to justify their own hypocrisy. |
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Oct 16 2003, 07:27 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
You know Fox that is just a short journey to,
"Your lips may be saying no, but your mind is saying yes." Something to think about anyway. I gotta find me a new source on EXII. No way am I going to be bug food. @ Bitten: Were talking about two different things. Your saying its you shamanic totem, which is great. Fox is talking about women who are possesed by the mantis spirit. They are not Shamans, not adepts, just people who are possesed. And by the way, not every guy loses his mind at the first site of a women. Some of us have self control. |
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Oct 16 2003, 08:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 263 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 616 |
I have yet to see it or experience it.
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Oct 16 2003, 08:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 164 |
Wow, the bugs have humor. Neat. |
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Oct 16 2003, 08:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Why am I tempted to make the "bad girls suck, nice bugs swallow" joke?
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Oct 16 2003, 09:01 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Just because a male lets himself be led around by an organ other than his brain doesn't mean he becomes any girl's toy. The key phrase is that he lets it happen. He willingly gives in to the power of a woman, but if he wants he can step back from it. I think the phrase is "she's not worth it." Magical influnce takes that away.
I'm not discounting mantis as a totem, merely pointing out that there is a differnece between a shaman and a possessed woman. As for "that's too close to "you're eyes say yes while you mouth says no" that could be a good analogy- how many guys have pushed things too far because they don't accept no means no?Like a pushy date, mantids can choose not to believe that a woman isn't interested. or really means it when she says NO. Most women don't have the ability to defend themselves from a determined spirit. |
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Oct 16 2003, 09:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Santa Cruz Member No.: 5,500 |
Hey, I am guilty of using magic to get bed fellows..But I don't eat them.Well, I don't kill them.The next day they go home,happy. And let's face it, death is something you don't come back from, sex is.So in the heat of lust,a man, could think he wants something,and at that point it maybe true..Then again not everyone thinks what or where they will be in a year.So they throw their lives away. Next you'll blame drug-usage on the users... Different-days |
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Oct 16 2003, 09:27 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
What of the Loa then? They possess their practishioners at whim, it that a problem for you? An insect possessee retains more of her original mind than one possessed by a Loa. Is the difference that the Loa appears to leave, while the insect obviously remains? |
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Oct 16 2003, 09:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 6-October 03 From: Tempe, Arizona Member No.: 5,692 |
The difference is that a major nation hasn't declare war on Voudon yet (although with all this shedim drek going on, just give it time) - the UCAS, on the other hand, went and dropped a nuclear bomb on Bug City. Kinda crystalizes how the SINners are supposed to feel about the whole thing, y'know?
Bottom line - there is no "right" or "wrong"; there is no "free will" or "possession", there is no "toxic" or "clean", there is no "science" or "magic", there's just what happens. I, for one, intend to maintain as much control over what happens as the universe will allow, and don't see how arbitrary moral classifications based on shakey or nonexistant metaphysical evidence can help that. |
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Oct 17 2003, 01:49 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,359 Joined: 25-June 02 From: Vancouver, B.C., Canada (go Canucks!) Member No.: 2,904 |
I dunno much about Loa, but they seem like totems who have greater interest in their shamans. I think I remember reading somewhere that loa's mount a shaman upon his or her request or in exchange for aid, then after a set time return conciousness to the shaman. Mantids, however, destroy the being they posess, steal their body and make a "mental mirror site" of their host's mind for their own use, destroying the original "site" afterwards. So, though they seem to be the same and are virtually identical, they're not the same.
And Bitten, if you ever offer any of my friends the "opportunity" to host a mantid spirit, ya better be able to run fast and far. Never mess with a PO'd ork. :-] |
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Oct 17 2003, 01:59 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
I am not sure what world you live in but it is a scary place. All those things you list do exist, except for control. Control on the world is an illusion. You od have control over your choices, right or wrong, good or bad. I suggest you stop using BTL's and come live in the real world, and while your at it, kill a few mantids. |
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Oct 17 2003, 02:01 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
I would really like to see some evidence to support the "destroy and mimic" that cannot also be explained by the "two minds become one." Also, if a spirit of one kind can copy and alter a person's psyche over the brief time a merge requires, why can't a spirit of another kind alter a person's psyche during a possession? The only difference is how familiar the spirit looks and how long it remains obvious. A spirit that looks like a man will be trusted by a man before a spirit that looks like a monstre will be trusted by a man. You suspect the bug spirits because they look different than you, yet you trust the Loa to be honest because they look just like you. If the promises of the Loa were made by spirits that looked like beetles, and the promises of the insects were made by spirits that looked like men, would you still accept the first and fear the second? |
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Oct 17 2003, 02:01 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Bulldrek! Even we bugs do no more than merge with our hosts. Those who join with us are not lost; they become a part of something much larger! You humans cast each other aside like wilted pettles and then call us monsters! Liars! Hippocrates! You are the monsters frightened by something better than your meaningless lives! We take those who come to us and embrace them with love, give them shelter and purpose! Things your so called civilization has scorned to those not born into your made up castes! We give all unconditional love! All who become one with us survive forever! |
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Oct 17 2003, 03:51 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Hippocrates? Where did he come from? ;)
~J |
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Oct 17 2003, 03:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 6-October 03 From: Tempe, Arizona Member No.: 5,692 |
Heh. Whether control is an illusion or not depends on your point of view. Influence is certainly real, and Power is better than a BTL anyday. |
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Oct 17 2003, 04:13 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,359 Joined: 25-June 02 From: Vancouver, B.C., Canada (go Canucks!) Member No.: 2,904 |
Okay, here's the word from a chummer of mine who knows a fair bit about magic and spirits. Now, I don't know the terminology he does, and my chummer's kinda old. I had him dumb it down for me, so if I miss the finer details, that's why. Here's the thing.
Some 10-15 years ago he was on a run, one of his last before he got out of the biz. The job was to hold some simstar and keep 'er out of site for a while. Long story short, it spiraled out to some kinda posession thing involving a wasp hive. He had the opportunity to assence several folks, one of which was the simstar herself. He actually did a before and after assensing. Seem's during the course o' things, she got absorbed by a wasp queen. The assensing showed no trace of the original being. Being the more benevolent type of hird criminal, he did some kind of astral quest to see what could be done. He mentioned some astral dude called the Dweller who lived in some astral citadel. This guy told him that there weren't a thing to be done. The girl was gone. Vamoosed. The lights were on but nobody was home. Conclusion: no absorbtion, no merging of beings. There was only the conquering and destruction of a foe and the taking of her keep (ie.: her body) for it's own use. So, forgive me if I listen to a chummer with first hand experience over a bug using someone else's body! Oh, and according to this chummer, if ya wanna see real what fighting against a hive is really like, get your hands on an old simflick called, "Against the Hive Masters." Seems like the run he did was used as a base for the story and the team were used as some kinda "authenticity consultants." |
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Oct 17 2003, 04:37 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Your friend trustz an enemy of ours? One who is jealous that it cannot even cross over yet? One who betrayed its own kind making them slaves to magez beck and call in exchange for prestige?
You say I am not myself? I know all I knew and more. How am I different than a child who becomes an adult? Or one who replaces their body with chrome? Or one who joins thier mind with your Matrizzx? Memory and deed are all you are. I am me and more. |
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Oct 17 2003, 04:46 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Says the spirit that inhabits the body of a man. Why can't the man tell me? Becuase he is gone. Like a Vampire pleading for his life. He says, I am the man, only better. I say, you are a demon inhabiting the body of a man. Let the man tell me so, but he can't , because you killef him.
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Oct 17 2003, 05:04 AM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
>>Oddly, I have worked with Mantids, and on the whole the arnt all that bad... Ended up running a trio of um in and outta a section of Redmond a few times. Not to say I didnt have ole' reliable within close reach, but seeing as the roach spirits we was hunting where dead set on turning me into the next meal I did kinda have to put a small mesure of that icky word 'trust' into these chicks. Even from what I have seen in the shadows, watching 3 chicks in full hand to hand combat with what I read to be 12 (someone had tossed something and set the vans eyes sideways on me) of them, all in the middle of a fraggin wall of hot lead I was throwing down range; damm, it aint someting I wanna forget, nor see again.<< -Lindt
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Oct 17 2003, 05:05 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Your chummer has first hand experience of what a spirit told him. If you think that spirit was the ultimate impartial voice of wisdom, you have learnt nothing since the first dragon awoke. Humans, dragons, spirits, and whatever other sentiences you find act according to their own interests. They are honest when it suits them, they lie when it suits them. You cite hearsay to declare that a first hand witness is a liar. No court would accept such a weak argument. Shadow, your statement shows that the only hope for you to actually grasp the situation is when you experience a major alteration. Maybe the manaflux will give you a silky coat of fur and some pointed teeth, and then you must try to convince others that you are still yourself and not a wild beast. Then you may understand how little difference there is between yourself and that which you fear. |
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Oct 17 2003, 05:52 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,359 Joined: 25-June 02 From: Vancouver, B.C., Canada (go Canucks!) Member No.: 2,904 |
Pointed teeth I got, Omae. They point upward as they jut out from my lower jaw. More'n one seemed to think that made me a wild beast. I may not have had ol' haley pull a number on me, but that don't mean I haven't seen my share of racial prejudice. And you're damn right I'll trust a friend who knows as much about a topic as mine does. In a court he could give expert testimony on the topic. Courts don't dismiss that kind of thing. Like I said, I'm not the expert, he is. So if I don't have the terminology he does, pardon me. And Kanada Ten, what makes this Dweller fella an enemy of yours? Seems more than 1 wizard knows about him and the few I've ever known have said anything outright bad about him. Is this Dweller guy the one keepin' ya on yer own side of the bridge unless yer summoned? |
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Oct 17 2003, 07:03 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
HAHAHAHA OMG I can't stop laughing. I'm a night elf omae, teeth and fur I got. And I have lived my whole life under the shadow of prejudice. But I am still me. I am still the soul I was born with. Can you say the same of those infected by bugs? I have seen them kill without mercy or remorce. Devoure body and soul ones they once called friend. You are no different than a metahuman turned Vamp. The person that was is gone, all that remains is the demon. |
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Oct 17 2003, 07:18 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
And you would slay without mercy or remorse, all it takes is to convince yourself that your target is not worthy of life. My statement still stands, if you were to change, those around you would doubt you. You are now a furry elf, but if tomorrow you were covered in scales, those who know you would doubt that you are still yourself. The vampires you despise are as inhuman as a man dying of VITAS. When a man knows he will die, and can do nothing to change it, they change, that is the same transformation you see in the vampiric. Find a mage, ask him how much his life changed when he first saw the astral. Some were mildly aware their entires lives, some had the possibility thrust upon them, but all mortals who wield magic experienced a great change when they saw how little their world had been. |
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