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 Jul 4 2006, 01:42 PM
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Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019  |
Shiawase- Japanese for "happy."
Renraku- Japanese for "communication." Wuxing- Chinese for "Five Stars." What about Saeder-Krupp and Yamatetsu? Maybe even Mitsuhama? |
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Jul 4 2006, 01:52 PM
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Snakehandler Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,454 Joined: 28-April 06 From: London, England Member No.: 8,508 |
Well, first of all, they are basically just names. Real life Mitsubishi means "three chestnuts," but no one in Japan thinks of it that way any more than we think of Bob Smith as a blacksmith or Todd Johnson as the son of John. My wife's name before we got married was (is) Setsuko Kawahara, which means "season child" and "river bed." Believe me, neither her nor her parents ever think of the names in those terms.
Still, no doubt it is fun to translate the names. Unfortunately, one cannot be sure of the translation without seeing the Chinese characters (even for the Japanese names). Probably, though, Mitsuhama is "three beaches" and Yamatetsu is "mountain iron," or "iron mountain," if you like. |
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Jul 4 2006, 02:43 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Adamu is right, to an extent. When the Renraku corporation was named Renraku (it was previously Keruba International), it was playing off of the meaning of "communication." Inazo Aneki was fascinated by communication, human/software interaction, and sociology. Of course, that personal interest ended up creating the Renraku Arcology and Deus and ended with Aneki's death.
Wuxing actually translates to "five elements", though that's even a rough translation since the Chinese concept of elements is different from the Western one. |
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Jul 4 2006, 04:35 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 18-June 06 Member No.: 8,734 |
Krupp doesn't have a translation as such instead coming from the name of the firm (and the original family) although the word krupp can be used in German as an adjective meaning strong, probably in reference to their steel's strength. (EX: Es ist sehr krupp, ja?)
It's like Chrysler in Nissan-Chrylser. It's just a family name that is attached to a company. A close name to those you are thinking about would be something like Ares Macrotechnology, clearly coming from Ares the Greek God of War. |
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Jul 4 2006, 07:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
Having spent my entire life (27 years) in Germany I have never heard or seen this use of the word "Krupp" before! Around the Nazi time there existed the saying "Hart wie Kruppstahl" (Eng: "hard as Krupp steel"), but that's quite antiquated (besides, the company is named Thyssen-Krupp today). |
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Jul 4 2006, 07:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
Did you know that Emo is Chinese? ;) |
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Jul 4 2006, 07:53 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
Local slang probably. Speaking of which I always imagined there quite a difference between east and west slang. Even all these years since reunification. Does such a divide exist? |
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Jul 4 2006, 07:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
There are indeed differences between East and West German speech habits. Even East Germans speaking standard German instead of a distinctive dialect (an extreme, instantly recognisable dialect example would be Saxonian) often show a certain choice of words and small grammatical differences that betray their origin. |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:18 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
He's using the wrong translation, though. Wuxing, the corporation, is 五行. Which is "five elements." 五星 would indeed be "five stars", but that's the wrong "xing." Page 76 of Portfolio of a Dragon mentions that the corporation's name means "five elements." |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Bunker Gate 7 [CaTCo Compound] Member No.: 4,248 |
Fuchi translate in "abyss"
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Jul 4 2006, 08:25 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
They write the name in Chinese? Where?
And is it true about "Fuchi?" Does it translate into Musashi's "void" element? |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: 8-April 06 From: My dorm room Member No.: 8,438 |
Ooooh, I get it. I can definitely see how rendering Chinese words in Roman characters would cause confusion, though. |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:33 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
Oooh, simulateneous posts...
I'm not mocking you... :( |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:39 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,952 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Is he? I'd always assumed he was American of Chinese ancestry. ~J |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Never heard the term used where I spend the last decade. And that is only 30km from the "Villa Hügel" (Home of the Krupp Dynastie) in the Ruhr Valley. Neither heard that back in Braunschweig where I spend quite some time with Ex-GDR citizins shortly after germanies second-biggest mistake. We have an Illness known as (Pseudo)Krupp, a lung/bronchial thing IIRC. Aside from that, it's part of the "classical": "Tough as Leather, Hard as Krupp Steel, Fast as the racing dogs" motto given out to the german use by a certain second rate Austrian painter. "Krupp Stahl" is actually a special type of surface hardened steel (Krupp Cementit Verfahren) used for warships. |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:51 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
What clued you in? Was it my apparent lack of self-discipline? |
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Jul 4 2006, 08:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Frankfurter Bankenverein is "Frankfurt Bank Club", a Verein being something that is founded when three germans spend more than an hour together.
AG Chemie Europa is Aktien Gesellschaft Chemie, Europe or Chemistry Incorporated, Europe. BuMoNa (Bund für Mobilen Notfall-Arzteinsatz) is Organisation/Coorporation for Mobile Emergency Doctors Operations BMW (Bayrische Motoren Werke aka Bums mal Wieder, Bei Mercedes Weggeworfen) is Bavarian Engine Producers (or Fu... again or Thrown Away by Mercedes) MET 2000 (Mobile Eingreiftruppe 2000) is Mobile Invention Force 2000 Proteus most like comes from Prometeus, the Greek guy who brought humanity the fire |
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Jul 4 2006, 09:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
It doesn't appear in Chinese lettering anywhere in print, but it does appear in print as translating to "five elements." There's only one way to write "five elements" in Chinese lettering that also comes out as "Wuxing." :) |
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Jul 4 2006, 09:02 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,589 Joined: 28-November 05 Member No.: 8,019 |
k00l...
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Jul 5 2006, 12:09 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,755 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
Proteus is the actual name of another greek mythological figure, a minor god, "old man of the sea" with shapeshifting powers. "Saeder", as in Saeder-Krupp, is the danish for "seat" or something like that. I doesn't seem to be used as a family name, thought I don't see how it could end up with a company called "Seat Munitions" or "Seat Strategic Industries". My guess is that some US authors randomly made up a name that sounded German (as far as I remember, S-K appeared first in the NAGNA, some times before german authors walked in with the Germany sourcebook). At some point during the writing of SoE, I toyed with the idea of having Saeder being an acronym who lost capitalization (like Fiat). Having 'SA' at the beginning of a French company name is a common feature, it's like having 'AG' at the beginning of a German company name (besides, SA et AG are similar type of companies). But anyway there wasn't enough room in the book to put everything. |
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Jul 5 2006, 12:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 10-July 05 Member No.: 7,492 |
Likely not. Proteus was an actual mythological figure of his own right. Typically portrayed as the son of Poseidon, he was sea-going and could change shape. He also was gifted with prophesy, but was very stingy and never told anyone what he saw. A Proteus is also a class of bacteria typically associated with urinary tract infections. I'm betting it's in reference to the god, though. |
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Jul 5 2006, 03:59 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
as i recall, all of the original megacorp names were lifted from actual corporations. Saeder-Krupp, for instance, probably came from Friedrich Krupp AG Hoesch-Krupp. i know there's an actual Ares, Inc that produces firearms. i'm pretty sure i've seen links to Aztechnology on the boards.
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Jul 5 2006, 05:30 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
You have.
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Jul 5 2006, 04:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
The official English name ist "Frankfurt Bank Association (FBA)", though.
Officially: "Bavarian Motor Works".
I think you mean "Mobile Intervention Force 2000". |
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Jul 5 2006, 04:58 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
What clued me in was that time when you said it in a post. :) |
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