What is your favorite firearm and caliber, Whats caliber firearm do you use?? |
What is your favorite firearm and caliber, Whats caliber firearm do you use?? |
Oct 17 2003, 12:00 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
.22 LR from a Colt Woodsman Match Target all day long.
.22 LR (Remington's Game Load 38 HP @ 1280 fps) from a Ruger 10/22 until the Earth has been thoroughly scoured of small rodents who make ranchers angry. .45 ACP (200 grain XTP @ 950 fps or 230 FMJ ball) from a 1911, USP Tactical or pretty much any full-size .45 that's put together well. Lots of cheap 7.62x39mm FMJ or JHP (Barnaul preferrably) from an AKM until it gets boring. (Which usually takes around 500 rounds.) Cheap military surplus 7.62x51mm from a DSA SA58 until the thought of shooting another round either makes you want to vomit or puts you in debt (again). .303 British from a Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III* at 400-600 meters with iron sights on targets that look a whole lot bigger when they're closer. .30-06 (Reminton's 180 grain Swift Scirrocco load) from a Ruger M77 MKII upside a big, tasty looking elk with a massive rack that makes you regret shooting it when you have to pack 130-ish pound quarters God-knows-how-many-miles back to your truck. Kind of a double-edged sword, there. .243 Winchester (Federal's 100 grain Gameking load) about 200 meters to a Pronghorn, through his right lung, his heart, his left lung and breaking his shoulder on the opposite side so he drops like a sack of potatoes and you don't have to chase him all over creation. And anything else that looks fun. :) |
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Oct 17 2003, 03:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 424 Joined: 11-May 02 From: Marauding the mighty North Saskatchewan Member No.: 2,720 |
12 guage rifled slugs. :P
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Oct 17 2003, 05:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 30-January 03 From: Redlands, CA Member No.: 3,996 |
A shotgun firing a 12 gauge solid slug is not something I would want to be hit with. Do 12 gauge slugs come in different loads like hollow-point, jacketed hollow-points and what not. I can just picture a wound of a hollow-point slug, I would actually start feeling sorry for the poor slag, I would picture that most of the guys innards would be paste in the area hit.
Oh, and here are some of my other favorites. H&K USP .45ACP Tactical FN BDA9 9x19mm Para S&W Model 500/500H .500 Mag MP5(any variant) 9x19mm Para Steyr Scout* 7.62x51mm NATO AMP DSR-1* 7.62x51mm NATO AI AW50 .50 BMG *there are multiple calibers for this firearm. |
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Oct 17 2003, 10:35 AM
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The Sewer Jockey Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 857 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kent, United Kingdom Member No.: 1,197 |
Walther P99 in .40 with the small 6-volt tactical light, please... ;)
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Oct 17 2003, 12:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
Isn't that the "Colt Python?" Just the thing if you're mugged by a killer whale. I'm surprised a certain friend doesn't like the 9mm Browning hi-power. |
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Oct 17 2003, 02:27 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The NSV (12.7x108) and the Tarkkuuskivääri-85 (7.62x53R), since those are the only exciting weapons I've ever fired. The loads are FDF standard FMJ in either case.
In SR, it would have to be the HK Avenger minigun in 5.5x40mm Caseless M43. BTW, ADSL r0x0r. Good to see the firearms-threads haven't gone anywhere while I was away. |
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Oct 17 2003, 03:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
for more things to drool over checkout
gunbroker.com Go to categories click firearms modern select class III/NFA droool...... HK fmp 21 at only 11k its a steal to quote the Punisher "big, bad, and belt fed" |
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Oct 18 2003, 12:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 424 Joined: 11-May 02 From: Marauding the mighty North Saskatchewan Member No.: 2,720 |
They do. Me and a buddy took apart a refrigerator with a Browning Semi-Auto that was loaded with 12 guage hollow point slugs. Entry holes the size of loonies, exit holes the size of pie plates. Nasty kick too, after a mag of them my shoulder hurt for a week. These rounds would probably inflict massive trauma on someone who was wearing modern armor even if they didn't penetrate. Like beating someone with a sledgehammer... :eek: |
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Oct 18 2003, 12:54 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Well my favorite weapon, even though I have never fired it before is the H&K MSG 90. Oh how I love thee....
MSG-90 |
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Oct 18 2003, 01:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 30-January 03 From: Redlands, CA Member No.: 3,996 |
What would the general rules for hollow-point solid slugs should be. I am sure a solid slug hollow-point would have automatic knock down even if it does not wound. I would say the bonus damage from a hollow-point solid slug would be far higher then a normal hollow-point, maybe +6 power to unarmored targets and +3 to armored targets. Cant find my BBB, what is the base TN for a knock down test from being shot?
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Oct 18 2003, 01:20 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
You're not fond of sitting round in muddy holes as well are you? ;) |
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Oct 18 2003, 06:04 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
20mm break action pistol. Probably wouldn't work in real life, but what the hell?
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Oct 18 2003, 07:53 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 22-March 02 Member No.: 2,460 |
For the record, a Winchester Platinum Tip HP slug comes in at 2,568 foot-pounds - a 400 grain slug at 1700 feet per second. Though it would probably inflict some massive wound channels, it's only about as powerful as a 7.62x51mm rifle. I'd say nay on the automatic knockdown - it won't knock a guy down any better than a normal slug, maybe worse if he's wearing armor since the impact would be more distributed.
Against unarmored targets - I shudder to think. Given shotguns already high damage codes, you could just use normal hollow-point rules. You're already killing what you're shooting at, why go overboard into munchkinish? Back on topic - favorite guns. In game, the Browning series (Max-Power or Ultra-Power depending on if I have a smartlink) are my favorite pistols and I normally have characters use AK-97s just because it seems more authentic than toting an Ares Alpha. I shy away from submachine guns simply because my group refuses to adopt Rayguns rules (incidentally, mainly because they don't want to accept reduced damage for using suppressors on their assault rifles) and therefore I'm better off suppressing a rifle. IRL, I love Remington 700s. Having fired pretty much every model and caliber of these things, I can safely say that I think they're the best off-the-shelf rifle on the market. Unfortunately, I wound up selling my .300, so now I just have the .223. There just aren't any places around here to shoot a larger caliber rifle at. I don't really like semi-autos, but the AR-15 is an exception to that rule. A friend of mine has a top-of-the line AR-15 carbine and loads of technically illegal 30-round magazines (Damn you, Maryland state legislature! DAMN YOU TO HELL!) As far as pistols and shotguns - Sig Sauers reign as my favorite pistols, the SigPro series is great. I'm also partial to Berettas, both the 92 and 96 series. The Remington SP-10 is fun but painful to shoot, I like the 870 myself. The synthetic model is nice, and I'm considering having the barrel on mine cut down a tad to make it more handy. Since I never shoot at anything more alive than paper (okay, and some trees) there just isn't the need for the extra power. |
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Oct 20 2003, 03:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 107 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 75 |
.45 ACP Colt M1911A1 or HK SOCOM
7.62 NATO Whatever, but I'd love to fire a PSG-1. That's about it, really. |
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Oct 20 2003, 10:41 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Member No.: 1,816 |
Well, for RL, I like .45 ACP, .308 Winchester, and 7.62x39mm Russian. In SR, my rigger uses a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70... an uncommon round in the shadows, but if it'll drop a bull bison, it'll certainly take down that goddamn troll...
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Oct 20 2003, 12:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
She could but she'd bitch about the mud on her clothes for two weeks afterward. :rotfl: |
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Oct 20 2003, 08:38 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
At the range this weekend I got a chance to try out an AR-15 chambered in 9mm. I've really only fired handguns before but that was a hell of a good time. Outside that I'm partial to the H&K USP45 and Mk. 23. Kimber .45s are also fun; don't feel quite as nice to me as the H&K but then again, what does?
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Oct 20 2003, 09:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Rifle: I still having a thing for the 7.62x54mm (got 2 rifles in that cartridge).
Pistol: Toss up between 9mm (I love my Steyr GB-80) and good ol' .357. |
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Oct 21 2003, 01:44 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
I knew i liked you for a reason. With or without the volley sight? Flakjacket- I have a real interest in the first world war, but my french is not good enough to get everything from french primary sources on it and after Verdun the avowed french plan was to "wait for the Americans." I've fired a chauchat but I still hold it's a pig of a weapon. If I'm going to shoot, I want something with a bigger clip and a more even feed than a label. that's the Enfiled. Not as graceful, but in all other respects, a superior weapon. Hot Wheels, your envy of my wardrobe is showing, that's all. :P |
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Oct 21 2003, 06:33 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Without. Mine doesn't have one (it's a MK III*) and I've never used one with a volley sight, though I'd certainly be willing to try. Being that it is a volley sight, it doesn't sound terribly useful unless you've got 10 other guys with them and you're all aiming at something at least the size of a car. In my experience, hitting anything outside of around 800 meters with that rifle takes more luck than skill. ;) |
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Oct 21 2003, 07:33 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Well when even a quick search and skim turns up such glowing write-ups as 'One of the great engineering failures in the history of firearms' and 'the worst machine gun ever issued to any army at any time in history', coupled with your own glowing testimonial... :) |
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Oct 21 2003, 11:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
Oh god! You've got her going on that gun!
I only envy your shoe trees dear. :P |
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Oct 22 2003, 02:25 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
The sole advantage of the chauchat was it's relatively light weight compared with other period machine guns. It's accuracy was ok when it worked BUT, to save money it had to use lebel bullets, which if you've ever seen them, have a real steep drop off between the bullet and the cartridge, it had to have a crecent shaped magazine, which was not condusive to a clean feed. The most infamous element of the chauchat was the magazine, which was open on the sides. You got it, big open slots. The official story was that this would make it easier to get in and clear the jams created by the lousy feed, but in the field this meant that it was way easy for dirty to get in the action, and everywhere else. On a parade ground it works great but crawling through the mud, it was asking for trouble.
Later in the war, and when the French supplied them to the Americans they tried a different manufacturing proceedure to produce them more quickly and what resulted was an even worse weapon not even likely to be accurate when it did work. (like when the Hotchkiss mg was improved. HA! to the Puteax which didn't improve rate or accuracy and was more prone to over heating.) Some "experts" say they believe the chauchat was a great weapon with which men could do great deed, my belief is that only if it was being used as a club! The .455 Webley by comparison is a wonderful heavy pistol. In the 1920's the Britsh scaled it down to a .38 caliber that was to fire dum dums. The idea being the dum dums would make up for the smaller charges, but then the Geneva convention declared dum dums illegal and the British had already changed their guns. The .455 is a great gun for hunting the boche! THe .38? Well, it's better than screaming for help. |
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Oct 22 2003, 02:33 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
The volley sight was used with great effect at Mons and First Ypres by the BEF. At Mons the germans reported receiving such accurate heavy fire that they believed they were facing massed machine guns. At 1st Ypres when the smoke lifted what was thought ot be a 3rd wave of Prussian Guards forming up for a charge, was seen to be the 2nd wave, dropped where they stood in their ranks. There is something about the enfield that just looks reliable. The Mauser may be a great gun, a master peice of the gun maker's art and there's an ellegance to the Mannlicher and even the Lebel has some charm, but the Enfield is a wonderful piece. |
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Oct 22 2003, 06:14 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
"Dum Dums" and all other bullets that "expand or flatten easily in the human body" were banned by the 1899 Hague Convention. The "Dum Dum" bullet was the first reliable expanding rifle bullet, designed for the .303 cartridge by Cpt. Bertie Clay, at the Dumdum Arsenal in India in the mid 1890s, for defense against the Afridi rebels. But back in the day, "Dum Dum" was a generic term used for any expanding bullet. Enfield manufactured the .380 British pistols (No. 2 Mark 1) beginning in 1927, but they weren't officially adopted until June 2, 1932. The .380 Webley & Scott No. 1 Mark IV came along 10 years later, during WWII. The .380 MkI and MkII cartridges weren't really "Dum Dums". They were lead hollowpoint bullets patented by Thomas Webley in 1897. They are good old guns, if a bit anemic by today's standards. Neither of them develops more than 220 fpe at the muzzle. Today's standard is around double that.
Yeah. Takes a lot of guys with bolt action rifles to fool anyone into thinking they're under machine gun fire. Prior to the days of rifle scopes, firing out to 2,000 meters was just an exercise in area denial. Even with a volley sight, at that distance, you could not see a person as more than a dot, let alone snipe targets with precision. So you get ten or twenty guys, have them set their volley at 2,000 meters and the guys being fired at are going to think that they're under fire from a machine gun. |
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