 Favorite/Worst Metaplots, IE's, Earthdawn rehashing, and new stuff |
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 Aug 1 2006, 08:21 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832  |
The invae/Bug City story never held my interest much. It was just kind of "ooh, they're aliens that can be in human disguise!" kind of thing.
I loved the Deus and Renraku storyline, by far my favorite. The Horrors are okay, nothing great. I get tired of "Oh it's that evil aztechnology again, tsk tsk". It just seems dumb that they would be the only ones doing it. |
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Aug 1 2006, 08:24 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Sometimes the atmosphere of "you're caught up in things bigger than you, that you may never understand" can be good too. Especially within the dystopian cyberpunk genre that a lot of SR games take place in.
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Aug 1 2006, 08:38 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Who said that the Azzies are the only ones doing so? ;) |
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Aug 1 2006, 08:44 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
There is a line in the Shadowtalk in System Failure about not all his money nessasarily being accounted for. Although most of his assets had already been seized by the CC by the time the orbital hammer dropped, with as much cash as he was suppose to have even the crumbs of scattered untraceable slush funds would be substantial to any runners. |
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Aug 1 2006, 08:47 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Apep what? |
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Aug 1 2006, 09:41 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Behold the powers of the Horror named Marr'Khe'Ting. :grinbig: |
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Aug 1 2006, 09:57 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
My favorite metaplot-lines have been the Invae (Double Exposure/Queen Euphoria/UB/Bug City) and the Deus plotline.
The problem I've had with more recent plotlines all boils down to trying to do too much in too few books. The Invae plotline simmered over at least four game books and a really good novel. The Deus plotline developed through a couple novels, a small part of the Blood in the Boardroom plot, Renraku Arcology: Shutdown, Brainscan, Threats 2, and System Failure. I don't as much like the books like Year of the Comet that try to handle too much in just a single book. It feels like you've been tossed into the deep-end blind-folded and even the good ideas in a book like that don't have the space to be developed. I had some of the same mixed feelings about System Failure: I thought some of the ideas we had for it were terrific, but there was just too much going on there and you couldn't spend enough wordcount on developing any one of those plots. |
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Aug 1 2006, 10:11 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I'm shocked. :-)
Like Aftershocks (Only, you know, written by someone who would actually consider what kind of Hell a military coup within the former US would cause)? |
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Aug 1 2006, 10:55 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
The New Revolution coup could easily have been its own plotline, it's own book, or even something that developed over multiple books. As could any of the three main tracks of System Failure.
Not only does cramming so many things into one plotline give you less room to develop them, but it also means you're going to have a real hard time developing new plots that don't start to look a lot like ones you've already touched on before. |
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Aug 1 2006, 11:00 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
Agreed. I was aiming for a much bigger section with the original (and radically different) pitch. One can only hope for the future... |
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Aug 1 2006, 11:03 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,026 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Seattle (Really!) Member No.: 7,996 |
I actually think that a lot of room was left with the New Revolution for it to keep going, in fact I got the feeling their move in System Failure may only have been the tip of the iceberg. As for rehashed plot elements, that doesn't bother me too much. History has a way of repeating otself over and over again, it almost seems like it's time for another UB like Bug Plot. |
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Aug 1 2006, 11:03 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I still find it hilarious and disturbing that the savior of the UCAS/federal government uttered the favored quote of a whole swath of RL right-wing anti-government "activists" (to be kind) who hate the government and whom, in SR, would want to kill her and burn down Washington.
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Aug 1 2006, 11:05 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Hmmm... yeah, I loved the New Revolution when it was presented in the Threats 2 book. I liked it so much that the background for my later characters was to have sympathetic ties to it. I just loved the concept that there's groups that want to bring back the former glory of the US.
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Aug 1 2006, 11:07 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
It wasn't exactly novel that such a group would exist. It was a nice tie-in to the Alamos 20K chapter in the first Threats, which is probably my favorite along with the Bugs chapter (Lofwyr's being too much like "Hey, let's put Keyser Soze in SR").
It's one of the few things Jon Szeto has written that I can honestly say I like. It was, IMO, counterproductive to give it so little space in SF. |
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Aug 1 2006, 11:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
On a completely unrelated topic, who are these Horizon folks? ;) But I'm not sure how bugs could pull off a "close" relationship to Tir. You'd think that the Daisy Tossers would have at least a semi-reliable way of ferreting out good merges among allies. |
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Aug 1 2006, 11:17 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Uhm. Sorry? (non-native english speaker here) |
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Aug 1 2006, 11:19 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Same here :) I could somehow understand the people who would like to re-establish the USA "in all its glory" and so tried to play a patriotic character with ties to it. |
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Aug 1 2006, 11:28 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Angela Colloton is a figure in Shadowrun I have a serious desire to use and develop, but I just haven't seen any opportunity to yet. There's really so much that could be done there. |
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Aug 2 2006, 12:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 207 Joined: 3-November 05 From: KCMO Member No.: 7,922 |
Amen, brother! So many intriguing possibilities, but never enough actual info to really do anything. I wonder sometimes if some of that's due to trying to keep the feel of an ED crossover without actually having an ED crossover to fall back on.....
It depends on the character's backstory. Sure most otakus are prolly TMs now, but what about the ones who got caught in the Matrix & woke up able to see & use AR? Especially the younger generation..... |
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Aug 2 2006, 12:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 137 Joined: 8-June 06 From: Present day, Detroit Member No.: 8,683 |
The bugs have always been my favorite, if not just for the fact they invoke the feeling of Alien(s). I got into SR after UB, QE, and DE were out (and was unaware of them), but right before Bug City was released. That book blew my mind. I think everyone in my group (we rotate GMing here and there) ran at least one BC campaign. In fact someone is sitting around right now waiting for Street Magic to come out so we can do it all over again. We even took a trip to Chicago one time (years ago) and only used the map in the back of Bug City to navigate around. Bless those FASA folks for making a realistic map :)
hooray cermak and ashland (btw there was some mexican/latino festival going on on the street when we went there, fun stuff.) |
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Aug 2 2006, 01:01 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
We need to talk.
The Apep Consortium shares a lot of qualities that suggest it picked up where Aztech/Darke took off. Of course, I also subscribe to the theory that the more "active" members of DIVE have been, willingly or unwillingly, involved in activities related to the Cult of the Great Hunter. BTW, Secret Societies of Barsaive. Great book for SR. Especially since certain groups like the Songbirds already exist in SR now. |
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Aug 2 2006, 01:30 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I can always be PMed here.
There's much more on this and related topics in SoLA. Gah, I wish we'd find some way to release that already. |
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Aug 2 2006, 01:44 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I'm sure there are. And, yes, I would like that book as well.
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Aug 2 2006, 01:51 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i missed most of the bug metaplot--or, rather, i got all of it, all at once, so there wasn't much suspense to it. i do like the latests twist, though, with Ares (finally) sitting down and figuring out how to turn a profit off the whole business.
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Aug 2 2006, 02:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 984 Joined: 15-June 06 Member No.: 8,717 |
Is what I hear about Ares cutting a deal with the Invae true? Where is that stated?
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